Just to clarify, I was also pushing Kira's lynch with you and wasn't confused by the 'ripples,' plus the post you quoted as originating from me.. didn't, since I don't remember having SATs. You can attribute quotes to people by doing things like quote=Shiribot in the s when quoting, by the way, so it doesn't turn out so confusing.

Post-wise, can't argue with your logic there, and going solely by flavour has my gut saying that Reimu would be a confirmed townie, but the mod might be playing mindgames, who knows. What's the current vote count?

2, but votes snowball. If you don't disagree, 3 easily becomes 4 and so on.

In a mafia theme game, always go with post. Themes are guides but shouldn't be restrictions. People are the true players and tells to the game. Roles also should act as guides but shouldn't be restrictions. Just because someone claims doctor shouldn't make them utterly removed from doubt. However, we don't have that in this case sense we have Vendetta claiming a 50 percent resistance to any action taken against him.

If you vote with us Othero, we can most likely get Silf on board. No one really has come up with any solid counter points to my arguements so far and I doubt they will now. It also explains in part why Vendetta disappeared and how that would benefit the Mafia group, something even he is unable to explain. I also counter all the arguements of "You misrepresented me" and "LIAR, it didn't happen" in vivid, gory detail and if either of those individuals would like to put forth their own quotes from that time I'd love to here where A. they developed this misguided theory B. why they thought suggesting keeping a mafia around was a good idea with a quote backing their thoughts C. Why it matches up so bloody well considering if Vendetta is town there shouldn't be five pages worth of quotes (it had to be five pages, it wouldn't fit as is, too big) viewing Kira's relation with Vendetta in a positive light.

How unfortunate.

I don't really see anything new in your arguments. Rather, it is the amalgamation of everything you've ever said or suggested against me, which I've already argued against. Want to know why there's that many pages? Because I'm one of the few people posting pages and pages worth of material.

All you're accomplishing is prompting the town to turtle away and not stick their own necks out as needed to find scum, which is the exact opposite of what they should be doing at this point of the game with how things appear to be. I haven't been able to point fingers at anyone, but I've struggled this entire time to prevent this. You complain that town is sheepish, yet your behavior is what's convincing people to do this, if anything.

I feel like I've done everything I can for town on this day. I stopped you from pushing for an immediate lynch and wasting the day completely, cojoled the final reveals we could get, and allowed town to create an action plan. Should twilight come, I feel like there might be as definitive lynch that can be made. So now, I don't feel so bad about letting things take their course.

I'm tired of fighting against the same regurgitated points over and over. Unless someone steps up with something new quite suddenly, I don't see us getting anywhere. Nothing's going to happen now if Lorick refuses to back off and even one or two people listen to him. So... do as you will, the lot of you.

I know, and to be honest it's fairly sad. If you weren't my highest suspect for scum I would be holding off on you simply _because_ you participate. I mean, look at whose supporting me now. The bloody survivor. I feel like John Hammon in Jurassic Park because a majority of the town wants to lynch someone because they aren't here over all the points you and I have both brought up on both sides of the issue. It's sort of amusing because the mafia has also been unable to manipulate the town because of this apathy into lynching townies.

"You're supposed to come here and defend me against these characters and the only one I've got on my side is the bloodsucking lawyer!", for those of you who don't get it.

You can hardly blame me for the actions of others. Each member of the town is playing in a manner they want to play. I just took the initative when Shiri died because frankly all the mafia needed was that opening to start directing them. I go up and down with Kira in front of everyone on Day 1, nothing. Shiri pops in and says we should lynch Ren, no real background just a lurker, pop, everyone is there. Yeah, it's frustrating but it keeps that sort of thing happening in reverse, especially since only two people putting forth one suggestion pretty much shook up Othero and others. My behaviour should have no impact on how much someone does or does not participate in a game, nor should your's. It's their choice to do what they want, and not our responsiblity.

I'm concerned that Vandetta and Lorick are both talking about the town as if they are not the town themselves.

Othero, will you card battle shaddus if I turn back the day to dawn then? You can't lose cause he can't play any cards cuase he isn't here!

You seem to not understand at all why I'm proposing we lynch shaddus. But that's ok.

Faulty logic, we don't need to get a claim from Shaddus because he isn't active. If he is a townie and not active he isn't benefiting us, if he is a scum and inactive he isn't helping the scum. If you have an issue with Othero's claim, take it up with Othero and quit bringing in people who can't defend themselves and whom might die. If you care enough, just spellcard battle him yourself to prevent those sorts of things from happening.

Lets just ask the mod to either remove him and his role or to play at random one of his spellcards with whomever spellcard battles him. We don't have a replacement yet, so risking one townie to prove another isn't exactly a gain for us, it's a loss.

Right, until he gets replaced and that new player battles me and we end up with a townie dead. This is the 3rd time you've asked me to card battle him. What is your issue with my claim?

It's just Daganev, he tends to get things in his head and not let them go. Hell, he has even defended Kira once back during Day 1, and tried to get Shiri lynched for a bit. And me. I'm trying to just chalk it up as his normal behaviour though. Othero, care to help out with Vendetta, once momentum picks ups it should stay up.

Comes with becoming steadily more fatigued. If the last 8-10 pages aren't evidence of such, I don't know what is!

An evil spirit possessing a miko? Sorry. I don't think Mima's goals mesh with Reimu's like the did with Yuka's.
I might have a way to prove it, if Vendetta consents to something risky on his end.

Hey, I'm all for risk on my end. Let's hear it.

To answer your question Daganev, I win with the town, but I'm not sure the town wants to win, if that makes sense. Lynching lurkers is all well in good, but lynching non-coms, especially one we have reason to believe is a powerful townie role, does not help the town. As for the town not wanting to win, I'll give you an example. Kira, a self proclamed scum, shows up right? Easy lynch, not even a question of guilt, but it takes literally enough time to go back and forth in time twice to finish the lynch. And even then, at the end of it, we have people who aren't sure about it. Either someone isn't reading, doesn't care, or is just really really uncertain and unwilling to confront actual people since those who aren't present seem to be easy to lynch. People aren't going to find a more clear cut example of a scum in most likely all of mafia, but we had trouble getting votes even then. So... Naturally, the more obscure the evidence gets (IE, any situation where the person in question literally doesn't say "I don't win with the town") the harder it will be for this group to make up it's mind one way or another. Find evidence, support your claim, get a lynch. It's pretty standard stuff for mafia, but I understand we have some new people.

I, Youmu, possess two swords. One is said to kill ghosts in a single swipe. The other cleaves through a human's confusion. This is all the information available on the swords in my role. I do not know how many uses I have on either, but they sound like they could force Mima out, if she was present in someone.
The problem is that the Touhou Wiki also says they can also kill living humans.

I plan to continue on Vendetta, I can't in good play leave him alone after his statements and the various circumstances revolving around him and Kira. However, he claimed a 50 percent resistance to all actions. If your swords are a single spot, I would not avocate using them here. If they have more than one use, by all means.