Touhou Mafia

by Tekora

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Unknown2009-09-21 05:00:16
I believe Suika would fall into that category Daganev mentioned, in that she appeared in the flavour introduction and was asked after by Vendetta earlier. She might have been scrapped because of our numbers, though.

Also, Chen and Ran (Shiri and Solanis) both turned out town on death, and they're masons with Yukari (Arix), so I don't think there's cause for suspicion there.
Shiri2009-09-21 05:05:45
The reason I don't think Yuyuko is a scum is because it seems like the leaders of the areas are unlikely to be, MAYBE with the exception of Reimu because she was in the blast zone of the possession and Vendetta's mysterious disappearance. I could be wrong but I'm actually thinking Othero is our best scum candidate atm. The only problem is Othero's willingness to waste a lynch on himself strikes me less as bluffing and more as knowing perfectly well it doesn't work that way and we need Bali to wipe him.

Marisa doesn't live in the human village (I think), she lives in the forest of magic (which isn't an area.) Then again we don't have any other people from the human village, so maybe Tekora went for a "good enough."

Lorick's talking about not being from a region has been attributed to skimming the wiki's Reisen entry and noting that she comes from the moon. In the canon she used to live on the moon, but now is hiding with Kaguya (Bali) and Eirin in Eientei. So maybe that's forgivable.
Daganev2009-09-21 05:06:30
QUOTE (Silferras @ Sep 20 2009, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I believe Suika would fall into that category Daganev mentioned, in that she appeared in the flavour introduction and was asked after by Vendetta earlier. She might have been scrapped because of our numbers, though.

Also, Chen and Ran (Shiri and Solanis) both turned out town on death, and they're masons with Yukari (Arix), so I don't think there's cause for suspicion there.


Right, we have 5 slots that won't be accounted for.. damn.

As for the second point. That is actually a common set up. 2 townies/1 scum in a mason group. I've been in that situation in a few games before.

Also, Shiri, what did you mean on the first day when you said don't worry about Zetsu? Now that you are alive you can explain that comment.
Daganev2009-09-21 05:08:00
QUOTE (Shiri @ Sep 20 2009, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason I don't think Yuyuko is a scum is because it seems like the leaders of the areas are unlikely to be, MAYBE with the exception of Reimu because she was in the blast zone of the possession and Vendetta's mysterious disappearance. I could be wrong but I'm actually thinking Othero is our best scum candidate atm. The only problem is Othero's willingness to waste a lynch on himself strikes me less as bluffing and more as knowing perfectly well it doesn't work that way and we need Bali to wipe him.

Marisa doesn't live in the human village (I think), she lives in the forest of magic (which isn't an area.) Then again we don't have any other people from the human village, so maybe Tekora went for a "good enough."

Lorick's talking about not being from a region has been attributed to skimming the wiki's Reisen entry and noting that she comes from the moon. In the canon she used to live on the moon, but now is hiding with Kaguya (Bali) and Eirin in Eientei. So maybe that's forgivable.


Was celina the leader of the SDM? It doesn't look like the leader has to do with the area's destruction.
Unknown2009-09-21 05:18:37
QUOTE (Shiri @ Sep 21 2009, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason I don't think Yuyuko is a scum is because it seems like the leaders of the areas are unlikely to be, MAYBE with the exception of Reimu because she was in the blast zone of the possession and Vendetta's mysterious disappearance. I could be wrong but I'm actually thinking Othero is our best scum candidate atm. The only problem is Othero's willingness to waste a lynch on himself strikes me less as bluffing and more as knowing perfectly well it doesn't work that way and we need Bali to wipe him.

Marisa doesn't live in the human village (I think), she lives in the forest of magic (which isn't an area.) Then again we don't have any other people from the human village, so maybe Tekora went for a "good enough."

Lorick's talking about not being from a region has been attributed to skimming the wiki's Reisen entry and noting that she comes from the moon. In the canon she used to live on the moon, but now is hiding with Kaguya (Bali) and Eirin in Eientei. So maybe that's forgivable.


I'm not really sure how I'm coming off as scum. I'm getting a bit aggresive but mostly out of annoyance that people can't seem to understand my role. If you think I am scum then lynch me. I've repeated that I'm immortal and I've said I don't know how to permanently kill me but my best guess is Bali would be how. I was willing to have you lynch me as I know I am town and that I would come back but no one else seemed to believe me. A lynch would of proved that . People seemed to have no other target and I was willing to work with the town to give you a confirmed townie but you decided to go with someone else for a lynch, please don't try to now pass it off as a scum move.
Daganev2009-09-21 05:20:45
QUOTE (Othero @ Sep 20 2009, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not really sure how I'm coming off as scum. I'm getting a bit aggresive but mostly out of annoyance that people can't seem to understand my role. If you think I am scum then lynch me. I've repeated that I'm immortal and I've said I don't know how to permanently kill me but my best guess is Bali would be how. I was willing to have you lynch me as I know I am town and that I would come back but no one else seemed to believe me. A lynch would of proved that . People seemed to have no other target and I was willing to work with the town to give you a confirmed townie but you decided to go with someone else for a lynch, please don't try to now pass it off as a scum move.


umm he didn't.

Shiri is guessing you are scum by process of elimination, and is suggesting that Kaguya card battle you...

btw, still waiting for Xikue to use that ghost cleaving sword.
Unknown2009-09-21 05:24:40
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The only problem is Othero's willingness to waste a lynch on himself strikes me less as bluffing and more as knowing perfectly well it doesn't work that way and we need Bali to wipe him.


Is he not talking about when I had said I would let myself be lynched as people didn't believe my power?
Shiri2009-09-21 05:34:57
I just meant I could tell he was Marisa from the "verbal tic" and didn't want to give that away to the scum until I had to because unless Furien or Silferras were scum it wasn't the kind of thing they could easily look up on the wiki.

Marisa is a protagonist, so at the time I thought we might be better off covering for her.
Shiri2009-09-21 05:36:02
QUOTE (daganev @ Sep 21 2009, 06:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was celina the leader of the SDM? It doesn't look like the leader has to do with the area's destruction.

No, Serella is. Celina is her younger, crazier sister.

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umm he didn't.

Shiri is guessing you are scum by process of elimination, and is suggesting that Kaguya card battle you...


This
Daganev2009-09-21 05:40:27
QUOTE (Shiri @ Sep 20 2009, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, Serella is. Celina is her younger, crazier sister.


That is my point. Serella is alive and well, but the SDM is still in ruins. Leaders don't seem to be the key here.

QUOTE (Othero @ Sep 20 2009, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is he not talking about when I had said I would let myself be lynched as people didn't believe my power?


Yes, it is a problem to lynch you, because he doesn't think you were bluffing.
Unknown2009-09-21 05:45:00
Well, my guess with SDM is the mafia either killed Celina and it destroyed the mansion or they did something to Serella at night, which destroyed the mansion and killed Celina in the process.
Shiri2009-09-21 05:45:11
Yeah, good point. Hmmmmm. That said, Serella isn't actually roleconfirmed. But we don't have any spellcards yet so we'll leave it be as I think it's probably true. So I guess we can't get Bali and Othero to wipe each other yet either. We'll have to wait till tomorrow for that.

So it's a tossup between Vendetta and Zetsu. I have this guilty feeling voting for Vendetta since if she is town she's been highly cooperative, but unvote vote: Vendetta.
Daganev2009-09-21 05:50:07
QUOTE (Shiri @ Sep 20 2009, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, good point. Hmmmmm. That said, Serella isn't actually roleconfirmed. But we don't have any spellcards yet so we'll leave it be as I think it's probably true. So I guess we can't get Bali and Othero to wipe each other yet either. We'll have to wait till tomorrow for that.


We don't have to "wait" for anything...

As long as Kaguya agrees to battle Othero.

Also, what are the possibilities that Arix is one of those "mason plants"?

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Mafia Masons

Sometimes, one member of the masonry group is a scum mason, a person in the masonry who is secretly part of the mafia or some other scum group. This occasionally happens in games where the moderater does not specifically tell all masons that they are all town. (See: unconfirmed masons, sometimes called "Neighbors")

Mafia masons are not a very common role, but just the possibility that one might exist often leads to paranoia and distrust within the mason group.
Shiri2009-09-21 06:20:49
Yes we do, because we already had two spellcard battles. There's an artificial limit.

All I can tell you is that I win with the town, as you saw in my role. I can't actually prove Arix is town but it doesn't make that much sense for the master to be scum and the servants to be townies. Vendetta, Zetsu, Othero and probably Lorick are all before him on the priorities list.
Unknown2009-09-21 06:45:04
Well apparently if Othero challenges me I MUST accept.
Unknown2009-09-21 07:01:46
Yep. And if you challenge me I must accept.
Unknown2009-09-21 07:19:59
It's possible Yukari is scum, but then there's the question of why Arix saved Lorick.. Unless they're both scum, which I don't think is highly likely. And the only reason why Arix would revive Shiri would be if it converted him at the same time.

Anyway, Mima possessed Yuka promising Yukari's destruction, so I don't think Arix would have started out as part of the scum group. Culting would explain it, but I don't think that's it either.
Arix2009-09-21 07:41:19
The reason I revived Shiri is because we needed another strong townie, and did so at great risk to myself, fully aware that there was a good chance I'd blow myself up in the process due to the fact that I had already used my power earlier in the day. And I didn't imprison Celina to save Lorick. I had actually sent the action in much earlier, because I thought she might be unstable and a danger to the town. Then she did her crazy thing (that turned out not to be anything) and because my action was first in the queue, she got locked up before anything could happen.
Lorick2009-09-21 09:55:23
Yeah, Arix has wanted me dead for awhile. I can get behind lynching Vendetta for all the previous reasons I've put forth, and we have Yuka's pm to work with in Arix's favor. Serella should be looked at in more detail, we are really far in this game to have so little information about her out. If your powers have a chance of killing you Arix, please don't use them unless absolutely neccessary. I have three to four points pointing toward you as not being scum, and having someone commit suicide wouldn't be good for us.

Vote : Vendetta
Unknown2009-09-21 11:05:20
Arix.. wants you dead?