That is a very good way of putting it.

I am now even more convinced that Shiri is not pro-town.

Although, it's not really the same as a no lynch, because we will have "concerte" confirmation on Othero. But I don't see how Othero could be lieing at this point.

Othero and Kaguya not being able to die unless they do that seems majorly OP somehow. But what that makes me suspect is that Kaguya is scum or at least non-town, because two completely invincible townies would be really weird unless whatever happened to Celina is permanent (possible but I'm not willing to count on it.)

Even if Kaguya is town they probably shouldn't challenge Othero until someone can check this out though.

Daganev, since no one else is being obviously scummy, we can have a spellcard duel now since I at least know I have nothing to lose by being outed! (being able to counter this bluff is nice)

Or we can go after a lurker.

it's getting interesting now. I think Tekora may have gone to bed though

Not yet. Getting ready to though. If you two are going to have a battle, go right ahead. I'll hang.

Daganev went afk or something I guess...Daganev, if you're confident in my scumminess feel free to try it before Tek goes to sleep! I suspect you won't be though.

Oh, and while we wait for Dags I'd like to point out that Aliod, Zetsu, and Allergic haven't posted at all so far. Need I remind you what happened when we didn't get lurkers last game...?

Zetsu has posted a couple of times and was quoted on this page, check back. The other two, not that I can recall.

Kaguya may not necessarily be counted as scum if she tries to kill Mokou, since she might be town otherwise but currently working towards her own win condition (killing Mokou, probably). It's hard to say, but I think we can leave the rivalry bit alone for the time being - Othero doesn't sound scummy to me, just trying to work out the implications of his role.

Oops, my bad about Zetsu, didn't check the list thoroughly enough (was doing the post list thing from RL forums instead of going through the whole thread.)

As for Kaguya...it seems unlikely that Kaguya's win would be to kill Mokou, but Mokou's would be to win with the town, especially if what Othero's said is true (i.e spellcard-death only.)

Just to clear things up - Othero, what's your primary win condition? Killing Kaguya or winning with the town (i.e. eliminating all scum)?

Oh, thought I already said that. I win with the town.

You mentioned that you had a rivalry, though? How does that figure into the equation if not into your win condition - that is, how do you benefit from seeking out/killing Kaguya, or is the entire thing just flavour?

It depends on what side Kaguya is on. I was thinking scum but I'm sort of going back and forth on that now. If scum I want to find Kaguya and fight her so I can kill her. If not scum I want her to at least know who I am so we won't accidently kill one or the other.

She's asking what it actually says in your role PM. Is it just flavour or do you get some benefit from her death?

The only benefit I see from it is if Kaguya is scum. Outside of that I don't gain any sort of benefit from card battling her.

Have a nice weekend guys, see you Monday!

No. Mass claiming is risky, because as you said yourself we can't rely on people being evil for being scum. Yes, we can discover Mima and Yuka in this manner, but then what? We're trading two scum for lots of knowledge. Knowledge that can cause a lot of trouble, as not only will this utterly mess up things for rivals (Othero and who else?) but we're letting scum cherry pick who they want to kill. That, and I honestly don't believe Tekora would make it that easy for us. There's bound to be a catch somewhere, so for the time being, I'm saying no. It's way too risky a bet.

Same with the "go down the list and challenge" strategy. What if Reimu is first and Mima is last among the players? Sure, it can be the other way around, but we can't apply the tools given haphazardly. You probably didn't intend for us to literally go down the list from 1 to 19, but I still felt I should state that it is too risky so no one else gets the idea.

Now that I'm done bugging about that massclaim deal, I'm starting to really not like Othero. If he doesn't see any benefit from card battling Kaguya, why did he initiate one? Someone said earlier that it might be trying to set up a catch 22, and I'm inclined to believe that. Another thing is that it doesn't make sense to have a rivalry and being able to win with the town without ever doing anything about it. Again, I'm wondering if there might be a catch somewhere. Remember my Smash Bros mafia where the rivalry was a setup for creating a SKer?

Well, now I've shared my random thoughts, so with that I'm headed off to work again. I'll unvote my random vote for now though. *mutter*Stupid Othero. Traditions exist for a reason. *endmutter*

Talk to you again in... 24 hours... maybe. If I'm lucky.

Why would you ever wait for me on a Friday night? I'm ALWAYS gone on Friday nights...

However, I'm not sure what exactly the point of a card battle would be at this point. If you want to claim to be somebody, then claim to be somebody.

Me being fairly confident at this point that you are scum is not affected by a card battle. As you allready said, we can't tell the scum just based on thier name alone. Secondly, since it's so easy for us to know who a person is based on the spell cards, and Tekora knows this, I doubt he would make it so that scum would auto-out themselves with skill battles.

I'm going to call you on this and say most certainly that you are non-town at this point.

I waited for you because I didn't realise it was friday night for you I guess!

Since you're wussing out while not retracting your stance (and even telling me to claim...), you have something to hide, and given your general behaviour in this thread the odds of that being something legitimate are very low - especially after you even said that though we shouldn't massclaim, we should use the spellcard system to confirm who people are (backtracking!) Sure, we can't figure out who the scum are on names alone, but there are still some people who are very unlikely to be scum, and probably some who will confirm things with their death given the roles of other people.

Spellcard challenge Daganev or whatever it is.

Also, just as a note, you sort of have a point about Tekora not wanting everyone to be revealable this way.

But I want to call attention to the fact that the 2x per day rule was added in after the fact (as were a couple others IIRC), presumably because this is Tekora's first time modding...