The syntax is I challenge ! Spell Card Set! Shiri's challenge is invalid until he types it right.

I'm agreeing with (part of) Daganev's logic here... if you want to nameclaim, do so. And Tekora couldn't have made it -this- easy. It just seems very possible for Shiri (and others) to be scum, not have obviously 'evil' spellcards, and use spell challenges as a means to clear themselves. I can see the advantage of forcing a specific target to nameclaim, but what's the point if there are no obviously evil spellcards anyways? Until we get at least one or two people to have roles obviously related to their character's backstory, we can't be sure of how far the backstory-mechanic tie-in goes.

Well, I'm not claiming until I see if Daganev hides (in which case we need to lynch him for obvious reasons and I don't need to claim, because he's very likely scum), but my role is pretty simple and I'll make sure to use an unambiguous spellcard for you, since I don't know how strong these things are anyway...so if he accepts you'll see.

As I explained (and any of the Touhou players here can back me up) almost no characters in Touhou are really evil, and most of them are in seperate factions or loners. So that's not the common thread we're looking for. But it's entirely possible that there is a consistent theme amongst villains - maybe those reject bosses like Mima from the ancient games that never showed up in the modern series. Name confirmation will allow us to find that out very quickly with far more accuracy than in any other setup. It's not like a normal mass nameclaim where all you do is out the cop/maybe doctor if they don't lie, and don't find anything else about the scum, because we can actually check this stuff for four seperate players every single day, plus whatever we turn up via investigation and related powers.

Let's see where this battle goes.

In the meantime, something I noticed from the first page:



I wonder if the state of each has any impact on the game, or if it's just flavour? The scum might be characters not affiliated with any of the above locations (underground or whatever, like in SA, or on Youkai Mountain, etc).

Good point. Since I know we have a strict town faction (since I'm in it) that gives me reason to believe the characters in Scarlet Devil Mansion (Remilia and Flandre Scarlet), for example, are also townies until proven otherwise, rather than factionalised. It seems nonsensical to give us a "scum status bar" thing there so although anyone could be an SK or something (Mokou and Kaguya are both from Eientei and the Bamboo Forest and it seems odd for both of them to be town) it's unlikely that they're scum.

This isn't a 100% thing, but I think odds are in its favour and we can't afford to be agnostic when we have name confirmation as an option!

sure whatever, I'll except the challenge however I do that.
This is retarded.

Shiri, again, you arn't proving anything. If you want to name claim, then do so. You don't have to try to roleblock people just to get name claims, unless you are scum or something. Which you most likely are.

Correct syntax required! *tsk*

Of course I'm not going to nameclaim without catching a likely scum with it. For someone who's supposedly worried about roles being revealed for the scum to pick off you sure aren't thinking hard about what happens when the scum can claim it's unconfirmed and they have to spellcard anyway.

How worried are you about being roleblocked till sunset? What were you going to do, daykill someone?

Anyway, I'm gonna go to sleep now, so Spell Card Declare: Shikigami Sign "Pentagram Flight"

Daganev's said he'll join in when he can figure out how so I'll just hope Tekora will let me do that to save time and if Daganev changes his mind we can just lynch him for blatant lies.

To save you the time looking it up on the wiki: that card belongs to Yakumo Chen, familiar (basically) of Yakumo Ran, the one sending messages to the various places in the signup thread post.

o_o Chen?! *flail*

No, it ain't backtracking. Daganev like me realize just how much damage a mass nameclaim can do to the town, while admitting that spell card battles can be used to confirm people. IOW, if I say that I'm Cirno but in a spellbattle I fail to produce something like "Freeze Sign "Perfect Freeze"", something is off. But at the same time, are there any spellcards we should look for beyond Flower Sign: "Reflowering of the Gensokyo" (or other Yuka-centric cards)? I said it before and I'll say it again, trading 18 rolenames for 1 scum is NOT a good trade.


That can be read both ways. It could be "oh frag, unlimited investigation on day 1?" or "Ach. I gotta prevent the scum from figuring out who everyone is". The latter is more convoluted I'll admit, but the former is so up in the day and clear that people saw the danger of that the moment he posted the additional rules. Tekora is clever, so if we saw it that easily, he should've seen it in the month he spent working on it. And frankly, the way you insist of using this method of name-gathering makes me worry. You're saying we should lynch everyone who refuses to card battle, but just because someone refuses to card battle does that make them scum. Others may have rivals (as Othero has stated) that they don't want to open themselves up to, or important powers closely tied to their persona. Automatically assuming that everyone who refuses to card battle is dangerous. You lose nothing by refusing to spellbattle unless you have a daypower and people will be choosing the anonymity of their role over your statement that they're scum if the situation calls for it.

tl dr; Shiri is way too hung up on the spellbattle system and name-claims. I'm suspecting that he is either a hitman of sorts, or has powers that work differently depending on who it's used on.

I'm still new to this so:

Why is a mass nameclaim dangerous? Scum already know everyone who isn't scum, so... why would them knowing names be so dangerous?

I understand that a nameclaim would be pretty useless in this game, question was more of a general thing.

(Wow. Chen, really? >_<)

Agreeing that a mass nameclaim is useless, since we can't easily pinpoint any roles as scum- there aren't really any 'sides' in the Touhou lore. And since there are a lot of ways to interpret powers into Mafia game form, knowing someone's role doesn't tell you much about their abilities or status either. This doesn't mean nameclaiming is bad, just that it might be misleading.

If scum claims someone, someone else asks them to confirm their role, and they use a spellbattle to confirm it, that doesn't mean they're not scum. They could just be scum not lying. And if someone declines a spellbattle, they might not be scum either- just a townie being cautious.

All of this is fairly obvious but I wanted to sum up my thoughts S:

This is the part that's extra suspicious, see. Shiri knows all this perfectly well. He mentioned it himself earlier! But he is claiming that we'll be able to find a 'pattern' of roles that point to townie/non-townie by nameclaiming. That doesn't seem very viable to me, but perhaps there is more Touhouism to this than with which I'm familiar.

A mass nameclaim is dangerous if one of the scum players have decent knowledge of Touhou. If Serella comes out and goes 'I'm Eirin', the smart scum will realize that 'in the lore, Eirin is a doctor gifted with making medicine'. If Shiri had gone out and said 'I'm Aya', the smart scum will realize 'Aya is a reporter with extremely gifted speed and snooping skills'. Power roles can be stereotyped in this game.

I don't think this is a game with the usual power roles actually. I'm not vehemently against name-claiming, but it's not going to do much.

It tells the scum what order to target people in.

Spell Card Declare! Time Sign "Private Square"!

we shall see what happens.

what does that mean? only thing I was able to pick up was that it uses black arts and is depedant on Ran for power.