This isn't forumrp. It's pointing out that, from an IC perspective, the forests could ignore Maeve if they want to and that, because of that, saying "Our RP forces us to defend Ethereal against impossible odds and defend Faethorn even though we don't really want to and therefore we need special mechanics implimented to make it easier for us." is a bogus argument



That's demonstratably not true, though. Maeve dies all the time and the fae don't all just drop dead. They feel sad about it and cry, but they do not actually get hurt at all. Chances are Maeve just lies to people, or thinks that but isn't actually correct.



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So, yeah. The Earth Lords were created by the first mages. Event posts 19-22 detail the event in which they were given bodies. Various other books the Geomancers wrote go on about this. Ask any relatively knowledgeable geo ingame and they will tell you that the Earth Lords were created by the mage guilds during the Old Celestine Empire, at first on accident and then on purpose when they realized what was going on. They will also inform you that staffing Klaymech in the face does absolutely nothing aside from make the twenty foot tall talking clay statue go away for a little while untill Klaymech's mental aspect turns up and rebuilds it. While he yells and says things to the geomancers when he is attacked, it's more like a car alarm that says "Please step away from the vehicle." than a person crying for help.

If you read the histories of the Elder Wars, you will see that the things that I am saying about Maeve are correct. It would not be the end of the world if the communes dropped the "Maeve's wellbeing is vital to the protection of Nature" deal, nor would it ruin the commune's RP to say "We no longer care about Maeve dieing. She is crazy and honestly isn't as important as she tries to claim she is.". It's a perfectly good stance IC and from an OOC perspective, it would be much more fun to play using than the current one where you feel obliged to care about what Maeve says and jump when she says to do something despite the fact that you can plainly see that what she is asking you to do is utterly retarded and will only make things worse.

Tainting Maeve is a totally different issue. A better comparison would be between the "Tainted Dame Maeve" event and the "Elemental Lords are possessed by evil dreamweavers" event, not between "Maeve gets Tainted" and "Someone kills the Elemental Lords for the umptenth time"

Maeve's statement is correct, in a way. If she dies the ethereal planes are weakened, allowing elemental magic to be infused (melded) there. Generally when she dies Faethorn is overrun by city melds, and while the fae don't immediately drop dead when Maeve's killed, the likeliness that they killed is dramatically increased.

Sure, ICly the commune's could ignore Maeve. Both ICly and OOCly I'm sure you'd find that most feelings concerning her are negative. However, even though the irritation surround her from the forests is there, there also must by both mechanics and roleplay be a certain amount of catering to her done by the forests. Including protection.

Wait, didn't Glom have a referendum a long while back deciding if they should kill Maeve themselves if she didn't bow to their whims?

Roflcopter. You can't have it both ways, Glomp-doring. Either you serve Maeve and run every time she shrieks, or you don't. If you do run up there, don't be suprised if you die a time or three.

The CL started to request it.

This pretty much killed her career as CL, so, yeah. Where is the "having it both ways"? Glom said "No way" to the idea and she resigned a bit later.

Or is this a case of you pretending you know what you're talking about?

Yes.

Or was that a rhetorical question?

Maybe you do. Many don't. People should really stop thinking they're the only person playing the game. Considering it's an MMO and all. Ah, the magic of acronyms.

I expect there to be no fuss then next time the cosmic beings are attacked then. After all, it won't break your RP to let them die. They don't do anything anyway. Guardians, you are exempt, since the mechanics give you a reason not subject to RP debate.

We cool?

Whew! Was worried for a second...

This arguement you are making does not work. Cosmic Lords=/=Maeve. Maeve is on par with the Elemental Lords or maybe Ladantine/Marilynth in importance while the Supernals and Demon Lords are on par with the Moon Avatars and Night Avatars in importance. Notice how I am not arguing "Maeve sucks, therefore you should ignore us when we attack Glumki"? That's because that's a bad arguement that doesn't make sense. So is "Iytha says it's fine to ignore Maeve, therefore she would also say it's fine to ignore a raid on the Supernals/Demon Lords."

Except where you are missing the fact that Maeve is the collective conscious of all Fae... including such Fae as Moon and Night. However, for some reason she's a complete cardboard wuss, but that doesn't change the fact that she is this conglomeration.

Have you ever noticed that she changes during moon cycles? Have you ever noticed that she is dominated by one more than the other at certain times? Have you actually looked into your theory on an IC level whatsoever?

The only thing that actually "justifies" your theory is that the mechanics make absolutely no sense. For a long time, Maeve was unkillable. The Administration made her killable to enable a "weakened Ethereal" but never actually justified it or did anything to explain it, so there's just this really huge rift between what she actually is, and... the fact that she's no longer what she really is.

No, it makes no sense to us, either... but your theory makes even less sense.

And I'm pointing out that the argument, which is basically "there aren't any mechanical effects for killing Maeve, therefore you shouldn't defend her" is false. That is why Elemental Lords =/= Maeve. Killing Maeve has a very real, mechanical, and detrimental effect on the communes-- our territory can be melded, which is certainly not a minor thing.

From a "throw out RP" view, Maeve is no different from any other denizen or item that grants protection to an org-- you can't do it. If Maeve really was nothing more than the bumbling idiot she acts, you might very well see the communes finding ways to ethically get out of defending her. But when her survival means the difference between an enemy mage pwning your territory or not, it's not something you can just leave. Would you leave the Necromentate dead, or statues unruned, or just unsummon all your guards?

EDIT: How did this argument even start? *looks back through the thread*

Maeve has never, in her existence, been unkillable. In fact, prior to the change you're referring to, she could be soloed in a matter of minutes.

And yes, you're right about what Maeve is. Maeve dies, all fae attached to her die. Killing a mob isn't killing Maeve, it's breaking a body, not a spirit. It would take a lot to kill Maeve, and hitting a shell with some sticks and twigs doesn't really cut it. But it could be done, I suppose, in a theoretical standpoint.

That does not make her important. Killing the physical Maeve in the tree will not adversely affect Moon or Night in any meaningful way, full stop. It doesn't even imply that in the histories. It's just something Maeve said once.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Eventru. How is someone so shiny so sneaky?

Except that I've stood there and watched Murphy swinging at her for 15 minutes and she was still "full" health (she was killable way back when pretty easily, but for a while there were attempts to kill her that never went anywhere). Keep in mind that warrior attacks let you see what health the mob has, because there's a different message when they get to 2/3 health and 1/3 health.

Edit to Iytha: Your post is contradicted by Eventru's, who says that she is all those things. Only killable.

To Eventru: Why is her "shell" so weak, then? On an IC level? It really makes no sense.

Maybe the body is a distinctly weakening thing, which also explains at the same time why she's so flighty, schitzophrenic, and sometimes outright stupid.

Then why does killing the body have such an effect on Ethereal? If she is stronger without it?

And why does she actually require a body to have an effect on Faethorn if it's only a shell? A weak shell, at that? It certainly can't take much power to manifest such a pitiful thing when Avatars are so much stronger (and plentiful!) and are a part of her.

I haven't been saying that she isn't all of that stuff? Just that swording her in the face isn't going to cause major harm, similar to how swording Brom in the face isn't going to make all of the boulders in the world turn into dust. Killing her in a more spiritual and final sense, yeah, that would be bad.

You're saying that the Communes can choose to just "ignore" her when... given that she is all that stuff... we can't. And add onto that, killing her lets Mages meld all of Ethereal. Like I said, your point makes no sense.