QUOTE (Avaer @ Sep 20 2009, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But my point is that that isn't a valid reason to exempt you from the PK mechanics. In the same way that other player types who don't like other aspects don't get exempted from those systems.
Except that I'm not exempt from the PK mechanics. I lose essence, I have to reform, I get attacked / kill / die just like everyone else. I do not want to be part of a ranking system that has no purpose except to be "whimsical".
I guess the difference is that you see this as a PK mechanic and I see it as an addition that causes more grief.
Which it indisputably is. All you have to do is look at the rankings.QUOTE (Xenthos @ Sep 21 2009, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Except that I'm not exempt from the PK mechanics. I lose essence, I have to reform, I get attacked / kill / die just like everyone else. I do not want to be part of a ranking system that has no purpose except to be "whimsical".
And yet the same can be said of all the other publically displayed ranking systems. You still gain experience / die / bash just like everyone else regardless of whether you show up on RANKINGS XP or not, you still learn lessons / forget skills regardless of whether you show a might rating or not, you still roleplay appropriately or otherwise regardless of whether you have a visible credibility score, you still contribute to / drain an organization regardless of whether your rank is visible or not.
Pretty much all of the information in honours or rankings could be toggled public or private, but having it all hidden is probably not going to happen.
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Sep 21 2009, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess the difference is that you see this as a PK mechanic and I see it as an addition that causes more grief. Which it indisputably is. All you have to do is look at the rankings.
Which it indisputably is. All you have to do is look at the rankings.That may be true, but many things can be used as an excuse for more grief. I think an opt-out system has too significant a drawback for it to be considered a reasonable solution. Are there any other solutions you would entertain?
QUOTE (Avaer @ Sep 20 2009, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And yet the same can be said of all the other publically displayed ranking systems. You still gain experience / die / bash just like everyone else regardless of whether you show up on RANKINGS XP or not, you still learn lessons / forget skills regardless of whether you show a might rating or not, you still roleplay appropriately or otherwise regardless of whether you have a visible credibility score, you still contribute to / drain an organization regardless of whether your rank is visible or not.
Pretty much all of the information in honours or rankings could be toggled public or private, but having it all hidden is probably not going to happen.
That may be true, but many things can be used as an excuse for more grief. I think an opt-out system has too significant a drawback for it to be considered a reasonable solution. Are there any other solutions you would entertain?
Pretty much all of the information in honours or rankings could be toggled public or private, but having it all hidden is probably not going to happen.
That may be true, but many things can be used as an excuse for more grief. I think an opt-out system has too significant a drawback for it to be considered a reasonable solution. Are there any other solutions you would entertain?
Let me have a command to wipe out my count of kills / deaths.
Again, this is not at all related to any other form of these rankings you're talking about. To get on these rankings, someone can walk up to you and force you to participate whether you want to or not, and then it's there forever. I can't make you gain enough experience to get ranked if you don't want it, I can't make you submit a story to bardics, but I can swing elryn;swing elryn and you (and I!) are marked for eternity.
I just don't want to deal with it. Let the people who want to participate, participate. Let those of us who don't, don't. It is meant to be whimsical, yes? Then why forced participation? The meaning is, according to Charune, not for tracking or anything else.
QUOTE (Avaer @ Sep 20 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are reasons why that information is helpful - not essential, not irreplaceable - but helpful:
* what if you are a guild champion and want to quickly see whether enemy x has killed any of your allies in the last week while you were away?
* what if you are a mid-level defender and see someone about your might enter contested territory, and want to know whether they are a very active combatant or not, and get a sense of how capable they are?
* what if you want to see if any of your lowbie citizens have been engaged in defending against raids that might not have been noticed over the night while you were asleep, so they can be favoured?
* what if you want to compare your successes versus those of a particularly respected enemy over the course of a war?
* what if you just want to see who a player has been focused on killing recently, since they are always accused of griefing?
* what if you are a guild champion and want to quickly see whether enemy x has killed any of your allies in the last week while you were away?
* what if you are a mid-level defender and see someone about your might enter contested territory, and want to know whether they are a very active combatant or not, and get a sense of how capable they are?
* what if you want to see if any of your lowbie citizens have been engaged in defending against raids that might not have been noticed over the night while you were asleep, so they can be favoured?
* what if you want to compare your successes versus those of a particularly respected enemy over the course of a war?
* what if you just want to see who a player has been focused on killing recently, since they are always accused of griefing?
1) If you're a guild champion... are you going to regularly check kills on every single guild enemy every time you log on and peruse their list hoping to spot a single guild member on it recently? Probably not. That's a lot of people, and what if someone isn't even an enemy? How would you know to check them? And it also doesn't even tell you the story (what if your guildmate attacked them in New Celest?)
2) How does this system in any way say whether or not someone is capable? It doesn't. It just shows whether or not they got the last blow on someone in a group fight.
3) ... by "Engaged in defending," you mean, "Getting jumped in low level areas"?
4) If this enemy was particularly respected, they'd most likely have opted in, hm? Along with all of the others whose victory against would actually have any meaning. Killing non-comms is no sign of success.
5) Is providing a tool that gives a griefer incentive to grief so you can see they're griefing really a good thing?
I'm not arguing against the fact that there should be mechanics in place to prevent griefing behaviour, on plane or off, if lowbies are being farmed that needs sorting out.
However, be careful in using might numbers without context (just like using the kill count):
...as if.
However, be careful in using might numbers without context (just like using the kill count):
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Deathguard Jozen Dawneye (Male Demigod).
He is considered to be approximately 95% of your might.
Krellan, Talons of Crow (Male Demigod).
He is considered to be approximately 85% of your might.
Celina, the Whisper of Death (Female Demigoddess).
She is considered to be approximately 50% of your might.
He is considered to be approximately 95% of your might.
Krellan, Talons of Crow (Male Demigod).
He is considered to be approximately 85% of your might.
Celina, the Whisper of Death (Female Demigoddess).
She is considered to be approximately 50% of your might.
...as if.
