It's not really.

We've seen two day powers from Lorick. He's admitted to having a nightkill ability as well as claiming to be a "jack of all trades" role, which implies a whole lot of junk. So the only think Lorick hasn't admitted to is innocence (which Lorick kind of freaked out about earlier), so the stretch isn't that big.

I'm not saying I agree, just for the record. I can just see where he's coming from based on Lorick's own admissions.

...Do you even read Celina? I never claimed night kill, I claimed I had a daykill at my disposal. Why do you keep jumbling facts to make your arguements, and then don't even try when you do.

SK + jack of all trades is just too weird a combination though. And I'm just not getting those kinds of vibes from Lorick.

I think we're about to get deadlined though, so I'm leaving my vote where it is. Maybe the reticence of people to get on the Jack train when he's clearly not here is a scum tell, which would be nice. Tomorrow I'm gonna go through all req's posts and see what I find.

This. Yes, Lorick, I'm doing the same thing to you that you're doing to me. I'm defending myself against your accusations in the same way you're defending yourself against mine. I think you're a SK, and you say you're not. You think I don't have a useful role, and I'm saying that it's not necessarily true. My belief is valid, and you're entitled to argue your point as well. I don't see what the issue is.

Also, I'm going to second the "huh?" motion about wasting the snail. What are you talking about? Are you saying that town has to lynch me because you stuck your slimy gastropod on my face? That just doesn't seem right, now does it?

Also, ewwwwwwww!

@Shiri: If I'm right, the odds are more likely that he isn't actually a Jack of Trades. That's more what I'm arguing. I think he has some sort of demonstrable ability that Bali gave him so he could run for leader, which he's using to fake being a JoT. Maybe all of his summons are actual abilities, but they don't do what we think they do. Maybe they're just illusions. Maybe his power is to summon Bali as a different character each day, but they don't actually do anything.

That's more my point. Not that he really is a rezzer/cop/doc AND a serial killer on top of it.

You're still roleblocked though, right? Either way, we'll find out tomorrow when he uses his daykill (if he doesn't we can lynch him then.)

The snail did something though. Or is that the point?

I'm not saying for the town to lynch you. I would like to see some pressure on you. I don't currently have a strong showing of scum from you, but we are currently lacking with regards to information and I feel the same way about your actions as I do about any survivor role. You couldn't of known about Fenix if you were town, so it isn't something I'm holding against you, but you did fail to achieve the goals you started with in a truely awe inspiring fashion and got Othero killed in the process to get there.

They aren't illusions, if anyone would know they weren't you would the best. You admitted to the fact you were roleblocked even, so I don't even know why you are claiming such.

A Jack of all Trades is not a power role. It is a patch role, it's purpose is to act in someone else's capacity. For example, lets say for the purpose of theory Celina was Fenix. Currently, with the information we know it would be extremely hard to do anything to her until the town actually purchases something of value, something Celina would have the funds to do so now anyways. Dag's dead, a Jack of all Trades is tailor made to fix this hole in the town's abilities. Lets say for arguement I had died instead of Dag. We would have a vig still, which has a much better chance to go through Fenix over the long term thus making it a more important role.

Shiri, I don't even know how I can defend myself against these claims. First, I have innocence and some sort of throw away power and a nightkill according to Req, now I have many day powers, innocence and a night kill, and now I have illusions that somehow affect Req but don't really do anything even though he said he was roleblocked, innocence, a day kill, a ghost, ANNND a nightkill according to Req.. I'm starting to wonder when he is just going to throw the rest of the three scum roles and wrap up the package with kill resistance at this point.

You know what, I can defend myself against these claims that they are an illusion. Req, I want you to vote if you can. You want to lynch me right? Unvote, vote for me. If it's an illusion you shouldn't have any trouble making it count and you get the proof you need to claim I'm lying. So, go ahead. We are waiting.

He can't vote or use a power right now by the way. This is just to show he is really starting to go off the deep end again and when he does that people tend to die.

You can defend yourself by daykilling someone tomorrow. If req is wrong and you're not full of someone will die instead of being faked at. Easy.

Oh, or that. (I still want a daykill tomorrow though.) Req, vote Jack if you can.

I can prove it right now though without wasting a power. (Well, maybe not waste, I do have people in mind)

Req shouldn't be able to to vote right now. It isn't an illusion, he can't. So, I want to see him try and show him just how real it is by unvoting and attempting to vote. It's an easy test we can even do today.

Shiri, why day kill tomorrow instead of just today?

From behind a tree, I can agree, that we, are going nowhere with this..uh... repartee.

Vote Jack

(I hope that made sense)

Because he said he could only do stuff once per day, I thought? He already snailed Req.

Anyone know how many votes jack has on him? Don't want to ninja lynch but its been what 24 hours and still no sign of him?

Right, I can't daykill today due to using the snail before. Out of curiousity Shiri, why are you pushing for the use of a daykill? I get it from Req's point of view, but you've been dismissive of his claims so far, and odds say we are more likely to hit a townie with the current information than a scum due to the lack of information we have. So, why does it need to be tomorrow in particular?

To be honest, if it had to be anyone right now with the information we have Celina would be the best long term shot for the fellowship. I know there is a kill resistant scum leader and we have a kill resistant leader Req got voted in. With two other kill roles dead odds say the town will be running low on kill powers. A kill resistant scum leader is not immune to lynches (least, I think so), so if it isn't the leader it is no more dangerous than a van. If it is in the leadership position it would be incredibly hard for the town to kill off. I'm not sure I'll end up surviving through the night, so this might be our only way to backcheck on Celina and see if her claim is true. She is pretty much van anyways at this point if she was telling the truth.

Why, did you have a different target in mind Shiri?

This. I started the BW on Jack. Lorick, you have a tendency to fixate on one thing that I suggest as a theory, and latch on to it like it's the only thing I've been espousing since day one. I suggested that maybe your abilities were illusions or maybe you had legitimate abilities, but you were selling yourself as a JoT when you were, in fact, a serial killer.

I did get a PM from Bali telling me a I couldn't vote, but it mostly emphasized that I couldn't do day-actions, and I'd forgotten about the voting part when I actually tried it. I do want an official vote count from Bali though, just to prove that they aren't mod illusions, but that doesn't make you not a SK. I've been suggesting alternate theories that explain your abilities (like I've said before, I always suspect the corner cases). You tend to take one theory, yell loudly about how it isn't true, and then assume that it disproves all of them. This simply isn't how things work.

Also, you're being REALLY defensive about this whole thing when I'm the only person who even suspects you. This is more so I get to say "I told you so" when the game ends and you end up SK. No one is seriously considering trying to lynch you right now, Lorick, so why are you freaking out about it so much?

I was thinking req, actually. He seems the scummiest to me so far. We could also go for another lurker after lynching Jack today. What does "pretty much van anyways" mean?

There IS the (low) possibility we elected Celina as scum though, and saving a daykill for her would be prudent with Dags down. So we might try something like having her use that gold on something town-productive tomorrow first. We skip a night so we'll be segueing into that right after this lynch.

In any case we can just wait for req to wake up to see about the vote thing (and then Bali to do a votecount to see if it counted.) That would go for the "proving your role" part of the discussion. I forgot about that aspect of the snail when I was suggesting it and didn't really think it through as I was following up.