He tried, it failed, and and he still doesn't want to believe it. Can we please at least take a look at him, he went from rational to weird real fast after the snail.

Again. It doesn't prove anything about him except that he can role-block daytime abilities. Which is only good for the town if the scum has a lot of day time abilities. Who has lots of daytime abilities? Lorick.

So you're implying his role only makes sense as town if he's scum?

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What it proves is that he can either illusion or actually conjure things, during the day, with big glaring messages, that actually achieve something. This is at best a highly unlikely SK set of abilities and at worst really weird paranoia. You have a point about Lorick getting crazy defensive, but he did that last game too.

Again, generally speaking, when you're threatened by being lynched and you have powers on your side that you can use to benefit the town (supposedly), you'll get crazy defensive.

Ugh, you got a pm from the mod stating what restrictions you have. If you don't want to believe the mod, I really can't help you. Might as well paraphrase at that point as well, mods lying to you you know. In fact, any pm you get back from the mod is a lie! A conspiracy, out to twist your brain into parallel linear paths that intersect somewhere between unlikely and your version of the twilight zone.

In all seriousness, you don't want to listen to the MOD that is fine. If you don't want to somehow believe the role you cast for me on day 1 is not looking more unlikely with each passing day and you struggle to somehow put the square peg in the round hole, that is fine. But, while you may discount my powers as proof of alignment (And should, don't ever take things on face value people) they due tend to lend credit toward the weight of my role versus the part you've attempted to plaster me as.

You didn't listen to us about Othero, and the town paid for it. You aren't listening to the Mod, and it's making you look worse Req.. You are in serious danger of that deep end we talked about at the start of this day.

@Furien, no you typically wait until you're actually being threatened with a lynch. Even I, the only one who thinks he's the SK right now, am not trying to get him lynched at this point. He's reacting to the idea of being a SK, not to the prospect of being lynched.
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And the big post that I had to C/P from the edit box.


So, Lorick, explain how this is a reaction to being snailed? I've been down this angle since pretty close to the start of the day. And I have at least decent reasoning for why I think the SK would have innocence. Ignore for right now that I think it's you. Explain why my reasoning is faulty about my assumptions for the SK.

We've had games before that you could give the mod certain lines to say, and he would post them. It's not unreasonable to extend this idea to private messages. Again, I'm not saying that's what happened, or even that it's likely (I'll freely admit that it's extremely unlikely) but since it isn't impossible, I don't see why we shouldn't check it by having him post a votecount.

Also, what are you talking about "I didn't listen to you about Othero"?

I'm not defensive, I'm making my point about Req. The more he talks, the more unbalanced his arguements get. Eventually, I'm hoping we can at least take a look at him since at this point all logic has pretty much left the building. He his firmly convinced, to the point of disbelieving the mod's private pm to him, that I'm somehow capable of doing pretty much every action of worth in the game for scum and I wanted to show everyone exactly what his thought processes are and how it plays out. Get enough, maybe people will look at him. Jack isn't even on to make a claim, least in the last 24. We can just threaten with a daykill if it is neccessary to get a quick claim later.

Othero is town, don't vote for him, make him leader, no he isn't scum? Don't remember that huge arguement that had you start voting for yourself all over again? I do.

And he's back to not paying attention to what I'm saying.

All of my posts have been rational. Lorick is the one using emotionally charged phrases and constantly appealing to my lack of logic. Compare these two posts.




Which one sounds more like a raving madman, and which sounds like someone who's exploring all of the possible permutations for a rather unconventional game of mafia?

My argument was that we had to kill Othero because he volunteered to be lynched. It's the same reason I've been saying you guys have to lynch me. I didn't say Othero wasn't town. I said that if he wasn't town, it would hurt us in a HUGE way. Losing a mostly vanilla townie in the process of verifying someone else's abilities is not nearly as bad as you clearing the mafia because he offered to be lynched and then talked his way out of it.

And I welcome a vote count, exactly the same way I welcome an investigation. You assume innocence simply because I said I wouldn't mind an investigation and assumed sk because of the events on day 1, rather than the fact I don't mind because I'm in the fellowship. You have failed to provide any solid means of proof to back up your claims except speculation and have yet to do anything even slightly useful to the town, least to my knowledge.

I fought you on the issue of Othero to save a member of the fellowship, you started the train that lead to his death in the end. You've accused me of being scum since day 1, but I purchased information at great personal expense to benefit the entire town (unknowingly, admittly). You've hide your role, I've been pretty much completely open with mine. I've had the power to kill you at any time during this whole proceedure, and that hasn't happened because I have bigger concerns than some misguided tool. But.. You've really been fighting for this, and it's only gotten stronger since Dag's death. Which is extremely odd that you would strive to achieve a lynch on the last known kill role the fellowship has. Hmm..

This whole thing started because I threw that sentence in as an aside. I wasn't even trying to get you lynched. I was responding to your concerns about me. I was just reiterating that I suspected you of being a serial killer, which shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone at that point.

Seriously, go read that post again. Then explain how we've spent 2 more pages with you attacking my ability to reason. Tell me that you aren't overreacting just the tiniest bit to the very suggestion that you're SK.



Sidenote: You keep talking about how I'm going off the deep end, I'm completely illogical, and the death of Othero was something that I insidiously manipulated the town into doing. Go and quote the posts you're talking about. I give you the courtesy of quoting your posts and responding point by point. You take something I said 2 weeks ago, find the oddest things to pull out of context, and then make sweeping generalizations about my thought processes. It's not particularly fair to me, since I post a lot and I know people tend to gloss over what I'm saying. So when you make accusations against me, people go "Oh yeah, Requiem did say we should lynch Othero. And if that's true, then Lorick's conclusion that Requiem is a psychopath must also be true!"

Show the context for what I'm saying. A lot of the time, you'd realize that you were misunderstanding me before you even posted.

we don't actually know you have a kill role, we only have your word, which in Mafia means squat without proof

I present this post as an example of what I'm talking about. That list was clearly a series of examples. I was suggesting possible scenarios in which Lorick isn't the spotless, if slightly rabid, townie that he claims to be. None of those sentences was an emphatic "Lorick obviously only has illusions!" Notice that I even said "If I'm right" at the introduction for the entire thing? It wasn't intended to start a lynch on Lorick. I was defending my rational to Shiri.

Shiri and Lorick took that and ran away to far away, unrelated, scary places, including personal attacks on my intelligence. Lorick is saying that because he doesn't have illusions, he obviously can't be the serial killer.

Again, who's being irrational about this, Lorick?

He didn't talk his way out of it, that is a lie and misinformation. YOU changed the terms he agreed to when he said he would volunteer to his death, included Celina and tried to get him to die to prove a power rather than remove the leader role and get him possibly ressed as a leader. YOU then accused him of being scum after he backed out when I pointed out the fact the plan achieved nothing it was orginally created to do. YOU then argued that he and I were somehow working together and that Othero had to die now because he didn't just march to his death. I'm curious as to what happened to that theory as well...

What did your little plan achieve? You failed to have a townie in the leadership position, and ignored me when I pointed out Othero was the closest you were ever going to get to it at that point in time. You managed to waste our 1st day lynch on a pretty certain townie to weaken another (IF Celina is telling the truth) or elect scum (IF she isn't). And the worst part? You made yourself look even worse, meaning that if you are in the fellowship you are acting as a distraction from our true goals.

I've already responded to every point you just made. I could go and find 4 or 5 quotes from posts where you've said this before, I responded, you ignored me and then started the cycle over again. I'm not playing this game with you any more. Go find the original posts that I made, where I supposedly did all of these evil things, and I'll respond to you entirely with quote boxes that address each point individually.

I say this not because it's fun (although being able to reference myself does give me some satisfaction) but because you don't pay attention when I post. Like the past 4-5 posts on this page alone. In 2 more weeks, I'm going to have to go quote them because you're saying the same things you said earlier today, but just ignored.

Nooo.. Lets go back to the order of this shall we

Req's Logic Train-

Day 1- Lorick must be an SK, Don't be leader
Day 1- Need a leader with no kill resistance and pretty sure is townie
Day 1- Better Idea, Lets make someone a leader and then kill them
Day 1- Othero volunteers, we agree to elect him
Day 1- Wait, better idea, lets vote in Celina and have her finish the lynch on Othero
Day 1- Othero _goes along_ with this plan, even though he dies and isn't going to be elected
Day 1- I point out how this doesn't accomplish anything, Othero backs out and votes for himself as leader
Day 1- Req accuses Othero and I as scum, says we have to kill Othero now
Day 1- I point out Othero went along with plan even without leadership, elect him. Much resistance from all
Day 1- Req breaks, votes for himself as leader, waits for election to end
Day 1- Celina is elected, she kills Othero, and guess what? Big surprise Othero is town, just like I said. Golden chance gone

Nothing you did back then accomplished anything that helped the town, at all. I don't even know how you can argue that at this point..

Actually, I'll make you an even better deal. If you respond to each of the points I made in my posts on page 32, I'll go and find the relevant quotes myself. For example, you'll never find a post where I said "Other is scum." The closest I ever came was when I was arguing that we have to lynch anyone who volunteers to be lynched. I could explain why that is, but I've been doing it for the past 15 pages.

Again, Lorick takes the things I say, twists them into what he wants to think I said, and then rails against me. I quote his posts directly (so people can see what he actually said) and answer them point by point. Can we just agree to ignore Lorick for a while? I still want to hear from Jack.