Lorick, you can't honestly tell me that scum wouldn't offer to be lynched, and then keep pointing fingers at me. MAFIA OFFERS TO BE SACRIFICED. It doesn't happen often, and it might not happen here at all, but it does happen. It's a risky gambit, but when it works, it usually means mafia wins. Don't tell me that "No scum is going to offer to die so bluntly" because I've seen it happen. More than once.

How were we going to remove the leader, after electing Othero? We didn't know we had a vig. And like I said, Dag in no way indicated that we should go ahead with the plan of electing Othero and then having him shot. So going between the plan of maybe being able to kill someone who offered to be lynched, versus using the hunter to verify our BP (which is a standard play), I chose to go with the one that would do exactly what was expected.

Go read my past 3 posts. I've explained why I went with Celina. Go find it, quote it, and then keep asking why I picked her.

Oh, I think it's worth noting that I didn't magically switch from electing Othero and having him killed to electing Celina. I did it after we got new information. The fact that Othero had a revenge kill just happened to come up in the same post where he offered to be lynched.

Lorick, are you pushing for me to be lynched? If so, I'll vote myself, if not, we need to let this go. You're the one distracting the fellowship. Again, I had a random snarky comment. You jumped up and started 3 pages of arguments. I was pushing for Jack to talk more. You've made it so even if he shows up, he isn't obligated to say anything. We're back to the Requiem and Lorick show.

Ooo, I do have opinions on Shiri. Let me go get quotes.

Well, hello pot. Meet kettle.

Let's just substitute a couple names...

"I gave him my reasons, they aren't to his liking, and suddenly because I attempted to protect Vendetta from Lorick I'm scum in his mind."

I'd love to hear how the theory of "Celina and Vendetta the scum duo" is doing these days.

You're actually using the same tactics you did before. You are clearly trying to change what has actually been said, and it's kind of annoying as I have to pick through what was really said (Requiem saying lynching Othero would prove my claim) and what you are saying was said (Requiem saying it would prove that I'm a townie. He never said that). What's worse is that I can't make heads or tails of it because this is Touhou relived, and you were town using the same bad arguments then.

It doesn't look like anyone is buying your arguments anyways. Can we just do something else now.

I say we take a potshot at a lurker. I typically don't like lynching lurkers, but I get the feeling this is going to go on for a looooong time.

Vote:Jack

Well, we went from me acting as a screen for the scum Othero to me acting as a screen for the scum Jack. Oh where will it end..

Note my opinions about the plan were tempered by what I knew about my role. It isn't my fault you had chosen not to believe me, in fact the idea I was an sk came up in the same post I claimed yet another day power. The more outlandish the idea gets the more you seem to support, oh well.

A mafia does not offer to be sacrificed when this no information for someone to resist the offer abound. It can happen, but that isn't the point because in your own posts you state you believe he is town, but he has to die to power claim another unknown rather than just get elected. I wonder where all those statements of "I never said Othero was scum" went.. Away I guess. As did the "Othero and Lorick are scum" arguement.

Look, you are just wrong in my mind. You haven't really come forward with anything even remotely reasonible, and _of course_ your plan had supporters, the mafia would of loved it since none of them died and no one else got looked at. I suggested you double check those people and suddenly I'm the enemy.

How about this. We aren't getting anywhere like this. Can we at least agree to not openly disagree or argue with each other on these issues for the rest of the day? You aren't going to find the support to lynch me today, and I don't really have a strong attachment to pushing a lynch on you (Claim I wouldn't mind simply because we lack information) other than the fact it seems I wasted one of my powers for nothing. We have other people we can look at and talk more about the issue tomorrow. Besides, I don't think you are bad at assessment, you just get really focused.

Points answered in order of appearance within the post, all posted before yours. But I'll agree to leave it alone, if you'll agree to stop making comments about it. Even if no one else agrees with you at all, I feel compelled to respond every time you misconstrue something I've said.

Soooo....are we still waiting for Jack? Can we get a Modprod on him?

Oh, I'm about to eat dinner so I'll get Shiri quotes later. But my general hunch is that he's kinda shifty. He does seem to be pushing the easy lynch (me), and I'll explain more when I get quotes. Vendetta is actually the one I think is playing the "middle of the road" strategy, more than anyone else I've noticed so far. Go read his (her?) posts from D2.

I think Lorick just throws huge walls of words at us in the hopes that we'll just get frustrated and agree with him to shut him up

Sure, I don't mind reading it. Vendetta basically went to ground during day 1 and came back for day two. He/She (which is it? I never knew) switched plans during day 1 from Req's to mine, and while I agree with it in theory the reasons for the switch were never fully realized. He/She asked for my opinion, I gave it, switch. Casilu and Dag both took firm stances against your plan, I'm willing to table Casilu as a lower priority at the moment because of that. Quite a few others also jumped on the bandwagon with little reason and in some cases just a vote when it was put forth, but resisted doing so when we started the leadership discussion which sort of suggests to me that at least some of those people did so in part to hurry things along. Not neccessarily scummy in itself, but a great place for mafia to hide.

Unvote : Requiem dot exe

Was busy yesterday so couldn't follow what's happening. Can someone summerise what's happened for me?

Oh, just something I picked up on (or missed) from skim reading through day one. How do we know that the elected leader had the same buffs as from the previous game?

Think Bali said so

And to be honest, I don't think people have been reading what Lorick and Req are posting, except possibly Celina

I read some of it, so I can draw parallels between this game and the last.

That being said, I want to moooove ooon

I see 7, we need 8 to lynch AFAIK

I don't count, Arix. Apparently I got warned because I tried to vote.

Just saying.



New plan. I'm done. Bali, go ahead and replace me. There really isn't any reason for me to have come back to these forums. Have a good life, people.

Well that was dramatic.

You guys are killing everyone with walls of text and rage. I just want to get on with things.

I am always in favour of lynching lurkers.
I am also in favour of lynching people who act scummy but when we have to do both, have a daykill tomorrow, can act two days in a row and are going to have a bitch of a time shifting the bandwagon partly due to the walls of text slowly asphyxiating everyone else, guess which road I'm going to pick first.

It's nothing that complicated, I'm afraid, I'm sure there are others who share my sentiments too