No.
Vote Count
Dugan: 2 votes
Romertien: 1 vote
Lorick: 1 vote
Zetsu: 1 vote
No lynch: 1 vote

Heh, where is my vote for Kira?

Tervic, you are welcome to your own ideas, but odds say nightkiller is with the Shoguns.

1. If everyone leader had a nightkill we wouldn't be in this situation right now. We would have a lot more bodies as people they suspected died most likely on night 2 if they were limited to one action a night. It's unrealistic to assume since no leader was willing to stop recruitment to do a nightkill, not even Xavius whom this idea is based on.

2. The only people killed have been from 2 out of the three factions. They were deliberately targeted and chosen. While it has been suggested there might be an sk, the fact that I haven't seen all three sides put forth that idea makes me disbelieve it, especially considering the immediate response was to go back to lurkers.

3. Using those two points, I can conclude the nightkiller was a Ronin who was recruited on Day 1 into the Shogun faction. If we assume the Shogun has been successful in most of the recruitments that means it is likely only one more person will be brought into that faction and the rest will be targets on a dart board for the lynching/nightkills. That is why it is in the Ronin's best interests to deal with this problem since it seems both other sides are lacking a nightkill option, least barring new evidence. Ronin who die without a faction lose, there is no winning for them except surviving to the end. Best chance of that would be to off the nightkiller and wait for the other factions to deal with each other.

4. Zetsu/Dag are most likely in the Shogun faction, Kiradawea most likely is as well. Both could of been first round picks but I'm leaning more toward Kiradawea over Dag at the moment. Odds say one of them is a nightkiller, and attempting to rout said killer does more for the Ronin in the long run than any sort of random lynch ever will.

Actually, ronin without a faction lose at game end regardless of what happens.

Points 1-3 make sense to me, but I would still like to hear your logic for why Zetsu/Dag and Kira are supposedly in the same faction beyond a simple "they could've been first round picks". Also, given that there have only been 2 nights, I would've found it far more suspicious if both people killed were from the -same- faction, rather than 2 different ones. After all, Zenon/Furien have confirmed that there are multiple instances of the same role powers, and kills happening after Xavius's death (Xavius had a NK power) confirms that there are multiple instances of the NK power. For all we know, there are 2 people with NK power still out there, and we don't even know if it's nightly or one-shot.

I only have two votes on me ... I thought it was like 4.

I don't see any evidence suggesting that it was only one killer. I think that all three factions likely have a killing ability, and it's possible that one night one side used it and one night another side did. It makes sense to me that we wouldn't see multiple killings right away, as leaders are still trying to bring together their team.

Since the group desires a lynch this day and we need to get things moving, I will Unvote and Vote: Dugan. Not being on a team yet keeps me from having any strong preferences on a lynch. But there's already some momentum on you, and if you really are a wandering ronin, you're my competition, given we no longer can all be on a team.

I don't discount multiple powers, but two nightkillers would be about right. More would be excessive. I'm not discounting other kill roles though, we most likely have some sort of daykiller or auto lyncher around. If there are more nightkillers, even if they are a one shot, they are less dangerous to the group as a whole than the current one who has been active. One thing at time.

Kiradeawea is in a faction the same way Xavius would of been in a faction had he not been a faction leader. Certain people just get picked first, anyone who has done high school understands that. If we had Shiri in this game for example, it would be unreasonible to assume he hadn't been picked up by a faction at this point. Since Kira and Dag have not been pushing for hunting the nightkiller and actively pushing for an easy lynch it leads me to believe they don't belong to the two losing factions. The fact they are working together to defend one another and discount my points while attempting to find someone whom the other factions can get behind in lynching is what leads me to believe they are in the same faction. I can reasonible guess that Kiradeawea is in a faction, and since Dag/Zetsu is backing her up I can reasonible assume they are in the same faction. I especially find it telling when Kiradeawea targetted those whom had mafia experience prior to anyone else for lynches and I can make reasonible guesses about the other alignments based on her targets and who supported her.


Essentially, one of them is more than likely the nightkiller, and we need to be looking for that person. A power claim could go a long way to seeing if we have any duplicates running around and then lynching if we do. No other faction is not going to want to catch the nightkiller and we can assume at least some mediocore honesty with a counter claim if one arises, especially since at this point odds are any Shogun recruitments left will be limited. Coming forward with powers for Ronin isn't going to be a "bad idea" after tonight, since odds say there would be only 1-2 recruitments left. Only way those people are going to get recruited is if the opposing side's leader survives, otherwise they lose in the end.

You would rather vote for me than someone else who might be the sk ... sure, why not.

Unvote

Vote: Kiradawea

Zynna's logic is the most convincing so far.

Unvote:

Vote: Kira.

Reasonable logic, but we've already discussed why powerclaims are a bad idea, since they effectively make the claimer a target for the other 2 factions, unless you mean having the wanderers powerclaim, in which case that -might- be a good idea for them, since they have nothing to lose at this point anyways. I'm still skeptical though, since all recruits have probably taken place at this point, in which case if I were a wanderer, I'd want to cause as much havoc as possible (i.e. make everyone lose with me).


Well, she -did- say you're her competition.

Zynna's logic is the most reasonable so far, I agree, and regardless of whether people are in a faction or not, it's probably in their best interest to get rid of wanderers, but Lorick brings up good points about needing to find the NK... Mrrr...

Wanders can't make everyone lose with them though, unless they can kill two people at the same time.

Well, if I understand the rules right, a faction only wins when the other 2 factions are eliminated. They don't need to still have their leader. However, if all three leaders die, then everyone loses. Maybe Othero can clear that up for us?

You've got it right. If the last two teams eliminated each other at the same time then no one wins. A team can win without its leader.

Also, to push the game forward and in a attempt to spur lurkers, I'm putting up a 48 hour deadline. YOU HAVE 48 HOURS TO VOTE. PERSON WITH THE MOST VOTES IS LYNCHED.

Can we get an updated vote count please? I'm fairly certain Kira is either tied or ahead in votes right now.

Kiradawea: (3) Lorick, Romertien, Dugan

Dugan: (2) Daganev, Zynna

Lorick: (1) Kiradawea

Zetsu( Daganev ): (1) Dai




That should be it. Out of ten left only seven decided to vote so far.

I'm not sure if I should call this annoying or adorable. Is there a combo-word? Annoyorable?

Irregardless, let me put forward to you a few posts just to show you how way of course you are.












As you can see, I've always been encouraging everyone to stop automatically going for no lynch and start looking for the killer instead. I wasn't the one who voted a no-lynch who brought us into this situation.

All that concern, but never acting on it? Sorry, if you were really concerned you would of made an effert to chase the nightkiller down. Trying to lynch lurkers and afks isn't exactly throwing yourself into the pursuit.

Well, because there's a time limit....

VOTE DUGAN

as per my original thoughts, and because he a.) claimed unaligned, and is therefore a threat to everyone, and b.) didn't give any solid sort of roleclaim. If someone can convince me otherwise before then, I'll change vote.