Early ... no coffee yet ....

How the heck do you guys seem so 100% sure I am bringing Xavius back tonight with that. I didn't say I would bring him back, if I wanted to do it I would have done it already. I said I can prove it tonight IF you guys wished. You guys kept going on and on about how important it was that I fully claim. You were going to keep voting for me till I did ... I am amazed that you don't want me to prove it somehow since it was so important that you all knew and a partial wasn't good enough.

We're not 100% sure. However it is an increased risk when you pull forth Xavius and not Solanis as the one you're willing to revive. I'd say that's what makes them so jumpy.

Either way, if Xavius is brought back he'll just be lynched instantly. We don't know where the other killer(s) are, but we know that Xavius is one for sure. Neither Shogun nor Bandit will want to keep alive someone who can both kill em and steal their recruits. Hence, if you really have a resurrective ability, Xavius is not the one you wish to use it on.

What? Right now, Xavius's team is basically scum. Why would you not want to lynch someone who decides that rezzing Xavius is a good idea?

@Dugan, the point is you didn't suggest Solanis.

Because Dugan isn't on Xavius's team or this would of already happened without us even knowing it was Dugan doing so. If he was a Shogunite he wouldn't reveal all of us this info, and if he was bandit again his power would already be used without having to out himself. If Xavius does get ressed, I don't believe it would be an easy lynch like you seem to suggest. All the Ronin will be against it since he can recruit, regardless of nightkills. Not recruited, you lose anyways so at least the chance of recruitment is available there. Dugan wouldn't be recruited though because he would essentially be powerless then so it is a bad idea for him to do so at this point.

When exactly would Solanis be rezzed allready?

His rezz is a night power, and since we just found out this game-morning that the bandit follower died... he hasn't had a chance yet. It's totally possible Dugan's a Bandit ronin.

Oh, Lorick, when you say 'all the Ronin' you mean the unrecruited ones, right? But Othero has already confirmed that it is 100% possible for all the recruitments to have taken place. I would estimate at most 3 wandering ronin left, which is <7, the number of aligned players under this assumption, which incidentally is also the vote majority. Your logic is most unsound.

It isn't "all recruitment possible" if you were to factor in the return of Xavius. And yes, it is possible for there to be a strong base on each side, the problem is each side also has a strong base not including the Ninja. They would have to rely on Ronin to finish any lynch attempts that occur since we are no where near the numbers required to lynch only using one side. If he was bandit, he wouldn't of had to reveal himself since there would be a strong majority against as per your own argument.

So you -want- xavius to return? That instantly means you are the enemy of both remaining factions. I wonder if they could get a lynch majority on you before the time limit...



He still had to reveal because of mounting pressure. There are what, 10 people in the game, 4 bandits. there's still a possible majority against him, not to mention the possibilities of NK/DK. Your logic still fails.

We also know that Xavius was killed what, night one? He may have gotten a recruit off before then, and we know he was guaranteed to have the Early Morning recruit, so that means at lowest, there is one wanderer, so rezzing Xavius doesn't do much for recruiting odds except return a NK/kidnap to the game.

Wow, you really are working hard to defend Kira and Dag. Only "enemies" as you put it of the Ronin are anyone whom can't recruit them. Those are just the facts of the game. In fact, if you were a Ronin you wouldn't mind Xavius back, instead you attempt to get a lynch on whomever throws out the idea. Threatening?

However, it isn't in Dugan's best interest to do so since he sort of foolishly said he could only res once, meaning no Godfather is going to want to recruit him after a res.

What's the vote count? And when is the deadline? Lorick's inanity is getting distracting.

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just taking perverse delight in demonstrating how flawed your logic is becoming as I continue to pick away at it and watching you flail wildly and make baseless assumptions. It's quite amusing, actually.

I don't even know why you bring up about saying rezzing Xavius and not mentioning Solainis. He was a recurited Ronin and if revived, he goes back to the bandits scorecard. Only three ronin per team ... doesn't do me one bit of good since the whole purpose is to get recruited. Sides, no shock value in Solanis's name like there is over Xavius.

Think it is fair to say that we can agree ... Romertien, Daganev, Kira and Tervic have all been successful recruits (if not a shogun) ....

Your list of people makes no sense... The wifom game of trying to guess if someone is still Ronin or if they were recruited by Xavius and want to pretend to be Ronins at this point would just be dizzying.

My question however is, why are Dugan and Lorick doing this tag team thing trying to paint everyone else as recruited? Last two Xavius members maybe?

They both claimed non-recruited. Up to the rest of you to believe them or not.

Well Dag, people got upset when I used the term Sheeple. I want to know why you, Kira and Furien have thrown me on Xavius's team. If I was, I would have brought him back by now wouldn't I? Nice smokescreen. Not buying it.

If you are telling the truth.

Way too many ifs floating around. The fact is, you suggested that you rez Xavius. That's like suggesting you rez the mafia godfather in a normal game of mafia.

Ahh ... but its not a normal mafia game Dag ... this is just another wine in front of me moment.

You wanted a full claim. I gave it. You either believe my claim or you don't. Do I plan to raise Xavius ... no. If I wanted to do that, I would have done it already. And I see absolutely no reason to raise Solanis .... as I said, he is/was already recruited. Reviving him at this point is the same as reviving Xavius ... neither one of them does me one bit of good.

Now. Do you want to try to get rid of the one going around at night killing people or do you want to stick with the lets kill the one who can revive?

Ok, enough being silly. Let's get serious here.

As far as I can tell this is the situation and the information we have at hand.

Assuming everybody did what was in their best interest, and assuming our killer is a SK...

Alive
1. Romertien - implied unrecruited
3. Lorick - force no lynch - unrecruited
4. Kiradawea
5. Dugan Diluculo - rezzer - unrecruited
6. Tervic
8. Daganev
9. Zynna - - uncrecruited
10. Zenon - investigator
11. Furien - investigator
12. Dai

start of night 0
Ninja 1
Bandit 1
Shogun 1
Ronin 9

start of day 1
Ninja 2
Bandit 2
Shogun 2
Ronin 6

start of night 1
Ninja 2
Bandit 2
Shogun 2
Ronin 6

start of day 2
Ninja 2
Bandit 3
Shogun 3
Ronin 3

start of night 2
Ninja 2
Bandit 3
Shogun 3
Ronin 3

start of day 3
Ninja 2
Bandit 3
Shogun 4
Ronin 1


this means we have 3 or 4 people claiming to be unrecruited. So either, the godfathers have been killing people each night, and we only have 2 ninjas, 2/3 bandits and 2/3 shogun and 3 ronin, or at least one of those who claim to not have been recruited yet are lying.