I dunno. I mean, unless the two other Shogun have abilities like Xavius' kidnap, there's no way for the Xavius team to win. However, just having that hope will stop em from putting themselves forth for a lynch.

However, I'm also hesitant to put forth a suggestion for a no lynch. If we do end up with another no-lynch, we're just giving more power to the assassin. So... I think it might be best to push forward a lynch somehow.

What are your thoughts? For once, I'm really uncertain what to do.

It's in the favour of everyone who remains unaligned to just go for a no-lynch, and assuming a perfect run we've got half the game converted by now. It'll only get harder to find your place as time goes on.

Actually, I'd think it'd be a better idea for the shogun-less to go for Xavius' survivors, because they make the time it takes for them to be recruited take longer (with Shogun wasting nights trying to convert Xaviusers).

That's one idea, there, but there's a caveat to that.

If we want to pursue that route and pressure everyone who isn't part of a team yet, not only do we have to reveal the leaders to confirm who is and who is not a part of their team (legitimately), but that'll identify the remaining two teams to one another along with some unaligned ronin. Then whoever the SK/Vig is can just take potshots at whoever has claimed allegiance until they find a leader.

Ah yeah that's the problem. It really depends on if the Xaviusers will willingly present themselves. If not, I think our best bet is no lynch. Lynching an inactive will just create one less person for the killer to vivisect.

Does anyone know if Xavius's recruitment happened before or after the death? If the recruitment goes before death, then yeah, you're right on that, but if it's after (like Day1, Othero stated that recruiting was an 'early morning action', which I presume is after the Night phase) then he's only got 1 ronin left in the ninja faction.

It's probably insignificant, but this would change the numbers around a bit. *shrug*

Also, Kiradawea, I re-read the rules on the front page, and it sounds like even if the leader-person is dead, the faction can still win by killing off the other two. The odds are just rather slim.

Knew I should've killed instead of gathering a team!

Merf. You know what I mean.

Hmm... I reread the rules. It would seem like that, but how can you win without a Shogun? Because if all Shogun are killed, everyone loses.

And more activity please, or I'll critical finishu link up this whole game into oblivion.

Well that is unfortunate that we lost a shogun already. I would say though to go for a lynch. From Xavius's death message, I would assume that each shogun has the ability to recruit or kill. Xavius said he should have killed instead of recruited. The shoguns are at war, if one shogun takes out the other two, it doesn't matter about us ronin. Only one shogun, only one team.

That is assuming there even are SK/Vig roles, and if past games are any indicator, this might not be the case. Plus, the rules for this game are so... different....


Isn't that also the end of the game? Or do they have to also completely annihilate the other factions?

well no. A faction wins when there are no other factions ... so whomever else is left alive in Xavius/other shogun's faction would also have to be eliminated. But only three ronin can be in any shogun's faction. We have 11 players, two shoguns so only 6 total ronin can still be recruited.

I am going to go ahead and vote.

VOTE: Dai.

Why Dai ... no specific reason. They have one post.

There is a killing role left out there, that's for sure, seeing that Xavius obviously didn't kill himself. It's also very likely that said killing role has already been recruited, because only someone "safe" like that would risk killing seeing that you could hit a Shogun (which happened). Also, assuming that one Shogun dies today, the remaining Shogun and his side wins automatically. Lemme quote the relevant rule in a moment.

No wait... I misunderstood. Rereading it, it seems to indeed suggest that all members of Xavius' faction need to be killed off before anyone else has a chance to win.

At most, Xavius could have recruited a minimum of one, maximum of two. I would assume another shogun recruited one, maximum of two and the thrid shogun has a maximum of one and the last shogun was the one who did the killing.

I was a little puzzled as to that myself. If remnants of a leaderless team persist, are they incapable of winning by themselves, or do they carry on the banner in lieu of the leader? Evidently they cannot be recruited by another faction, unless a counterpart of Xavius' "kidnap" ability exists.

As to Xavius' death, it does seem unusual that he was killed off so early. I would surmise that one of the other leaders was exceptionally fortunate in investigating his role. (This assumption is predicated on my present notion that there are no "conventional" scum in this game, and that the only teams are the three factions - well, two now - and unaligned ronin.)

Xavius' ninjas can still win if they have NK abilities and can kill off everyone else. Just really unlikely.

So then... the rest of us want to get rid of Xavius's remaining teammate(s)? 'cause like... unaligned probably can't be recruited to their team and thus win with them, and aligned ronin need to kill off the other factions to win, so everyone hates Xavius's team.

I think that's how it goes, anyways, but I doubt they're going to come forward and offer themselves to the chopping block.