Yes, but then why has the killing power been excersized so freely?

Meh, I might be looking too much into it. And if you're right, then Romertien may have a point. Dugan and his eagerness to lynch suggests to me that he's part of Xavius' straggling survivors. Seeing that they lost their killer, Dugan will have no option but to rely on lynches for his team to win.

Vote: Dugan for now.

All these night kills reek of a SK type role, and my understanding is that they can win if they're the last person alive. It'd explain the night 1 kill, despite a resounding no-lynch from everyone else. Coupled with Dugan's constant pressing for a lynch, I'd feel rather comfortable pointing suspicion at him, and it seems Romertien is comfortable with that too.

Dai: You're right in that the conflict is between the three groups, but it's still totally possible that Othero is a cunning bastard and is throwing in the SK just to screw with all of us.

Oops, meant to VOTE DUGAN.

edited for boldness so that Othero can see it.

It does seem unusual that we've had a death on both nights so far. If I was a leader, I would have been recruiting in the early stages and reserving my killing abilities (if any) for later on. If the kils are the work on an SK, however, it's imperative we get rid of him or her as soon as possible. In the absence of a better target I'm going to vote Dugan: he seems very keen to push for a lynch in a mafia game wherein secrecy and conservative playing seem to be key. I'd like to see what he has to say, at least.

I hadn't considered the possibility of someone being an independent killer before who wins with themselves...I'd have to go back and confirm the rules, but I thought everyone would only win if they were part of the faction that remains standing. While I suppose it's possible someone killed before being recruited, that doesn't seem to make much sense.

I think Dugan was probably recruited on day 1, and that's why he's been wanting a lynch, but other than that I haven't gotten much of a sense from him.

You may be right that there is no SKer, but even ignoring that, if you look at how quickly that train formed on Dugan, it's very likely that it was Xavius who culted him, because the third Shogun and the Bandit Lord and their ronin would know if Dugan was on team with them or not.

Either he was culted by Xavius or he is in another faction and the train was formed by Xavius' survivors and the other one. But I agree it's a possibility.

That IS an option, but mathematically less likely than Bandit/Third-shogun leading the lynch.

I guess to figure out this we have to ask "would Xavius cult Dugan"?

Xavius's faction is technically of the SK modus at the moment, given that their leader is dead... So it's still a valid point to guess that Dugan's part of the Ninja Survivor Serial Killers (or whatever they ought to be referred to as).

For all intents and purposes, yes, they are SKs. They'll be striving to wipe out every other player, via killing abilities if they possess them (the nightkiller?) and by subverting the lynch in their favour if they do not.

Actually, looking back, both Xavius and Solanis had their throats slit, which suggests they were targets of the same killer. This means he is neither of the Ninja Master or the Bandit Leaders ilk: by process of elimination we can determine that the nightkiller, at least, belongs to either the third Shogun (the third Shogun him/herself, possibly?) or is working alone.

I dunno, I would have expected the ninja's kills to be throat-slitting, but that's clearly not the case, since Xavius was killed himself... I wouldn't count on it being a single killer. Likely, but not guaranteed.

Could be a Ninja Ronin or something of that ilk.

Clarification: If Xavius's faction kills off all opposing factions, including the two surviving leaders, does everyone lose?

I think I am going to just omgus.

Yes I am intent on lynching. Forgive me for trying to play a mafia game for the last two days while the sheeple just sat back and did nothing. Generally you vote for people to find out information, instead of just sitting by passively and do nothing.

I find it so interesting that I got to four votes so quickly. And also for the record Xavius did not recruit me on any night.

Interesting. One away from a lynch and no one even waited to give me a chance to post a defend. Nice job.

VOTE: Romertien

Two. Two away from a lynch. There's 10 alive, so it takes six to lynch.

I counted 5.

Recounted, you are right 4.

I felt it prudent - as apparently did many people - to delay lynching for the first two days to give the Shoguns an opportunity to recruit people and allow ronin a better vantage from which to work. Lynching in the early stages of this particular mafia game is virtually pointless: yes, it is necessary to wipe out those individuals not on your "team", but if you yourself are not on a team yet, how are you gaining from this? I deduced therefore that the people most likely to push for an early lynch would be:

A - Shoguns themselves and thus obviously disposed to bump off everyone not on their team, or
B - Scum/Serial Killer, and thus equally inclined to target everyone else.

This is why I voted for you, at least. I'd be interested in hearing your defence, and also the reasoning of other individuals who voted for you.