Also, it's not easy juggling two games and in this one the first two days were essentially a bandwagon to no lynch. Not really much to discuss up to that point and finally we are getting to the heart of the game again.

Currently, I think the group should be focused on finding the killer for the last two nights. Two factions would be better served by locating it right now, and it seemed Shogun powers tended to be influenced by the role of the Shogun, so I'm assuming the killer is a Ronin that was recruited. I do find it odd Kira would rather lynch an afk than to pursue the nightkiller, perhaps she knows something we don't.

What do you say to that Dugan? She was after you as well. I think she is just pushing for lynches on anyone who has mafia history at this point since she hasn't really gone for anyone else.

I do see what you are saying about Kira Lorick. And I do agree about finding the killer. Though I am still more inclined to keep my vote on Romertien, a current vote count would be helpful.

One day one, I voted to lynch someone as I did on day 2. If I was able to nightkill people … I sure as heck wouldn't be drawing attention to myself and posting for lynches. Romertien was quick to vote for me on day three, claiming me as a killer cause I voted for people on day one and day two … going against the sheeple and the no-lynch. You vote for people to get information, see patterns and how they post. You don't get any information by rushing the days with no lynch.


Kira seems eager to bump me into Xavius's team (which I am not for the record … an no, I am also not a Shogun). Kira also made a post as would Xavius choose to recruit Dugan.

I always go for inactives. Inactives don't play and thus add nothing to the game. And I've already explained why I chose Dugan, because I find it likely that someone who pushes for lynches in a game like this does not have the ability to kill himself.

Well part of the problem with your statement is we have little/no information with which to find the nightkiller. Two investigators have claimed, but they said they pretty much have no idea who did the killing, except that it's not you and not Zynna. Also, the NK certainly is not going to come forward and off themselves.

Oh, also, rushing the days through with a no-lynch train gives the investigators more time to work. How is that a bad thing, particularly when the two claimed investigators are sharing their information with everyone?

I'm getting sorely tempted to just go for a no-lynch again.

(no bali, that's not a vote, it's not in bold)

Being called a 'sheeple' for doing what's in my best interest does make me want to vote for you, but I'm letting my logic trump emotions and not voting for you.

It would be dumb for a non-aligned ronin on day 1 to vote for someone to try to pressure to get information. As already explained there was a high percentage chance of hurting your future team by lynching someone. Also, if wandering ronin did vote for someone to get pressure on a person, that could too easily turn into a lynch by a sudden bandwagon by the two other factions who have a shared interest in lynching their enemies. So even if the intent in voting was just to get information, not actually kill, the chance that a pressure vote would turn into a lynch before you could unvote was too high.

The only reason I'm not voting for a no lynch now is because I recognize that chances are the majority of people here have an incentive to lynch, so it would only be a symbolic vote.

No lynch is the winning sides option right now because they have a nightkiller. I'll explain why I think so.

1. Ninja leader was killed
2. Bandit member was killed
3. No one has come forward with a serious arguement that it was an sk. It has been brought up, but by people I'm fairly certain don't belong to any team. This leads me to conclude the third team has a nightkiller.

It also suggests with the kill pattern that the nightkiller was recruited on night one, making it a person of interest rather than a role recruit. This means it was the first pick the third side used meaning if we think about the the people whom would be recruited first we can locate the killer. While they may not come forward with their role, they do not know enough about the rest of the town as well to make an informed claim. We can look and see whom slips up. If no one does, we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

So, with that in mind, I'd like to hear Kira's power. Faction is pointless in this game, but we might discover something from the person trying to push through an easy lynch. Also, she would be a person I would seriously consider for recruitment if I was a Shogun.

Vote : Kiradawea

Recruited on day 1 I mean, sorry, in a bit of a rush and leaving again soon for a bit. The nightkill would of had to have been the first recruitment done. Investigations do nothing especially considering a third of the game wants those people to fail and they've outed themselves. We don't know what other roles the team the nightkiller is on are to make that assumption that they would survive and fix the issue, because at that point the other team has had more time to kill off neutral or opposition members and a lynch is impossible.

Ronin want to deal with the nightkiller because odds say the other team isn't exactly checking the tags on the people they kill prior to ordering the hit. Essentially, Ronin are survivors until they are recruited, the lose if they die.

Ninja's want the nightkiller really dead at this point since a nightkill/lynch option with a lack of majority means they will be unable to deal with it and it _will_ eventually catch up to them.

Bandit's want the nightkiller dead as well for lack of majority and the threat it represents. They don't need it as bad as the ninja's, but they will lose as well without it ended.

Shogun wants to protect the nightkiller. They want the vote to either end in a no lynch or a lurker or easy target to proceed the game faster to night and remove a neutral/opposition party.

Um... dude, did you read the game rules? There is no town, there is no scum. There are three factions. Faction = win condition.
I do see your point about how rushing the days might be a bad idea though, in that they give the killer more time to act, but I don't see how voting is used to "get people to reveal information about themselves" as you and Dugan claim it can be used for. Maybe I'm just too much of a mafia noob, but it seems rather pointless to cast a vote with no reason other than "I want more information on this person".

Votecount from what I saw:

Dugan: 2
Lorick: 1
Kiradawea: 1
Romertien: 1

*sigh* Tervic, that's how one usually gets information. By placing votes on someone, he or she is essentially forced to say "I'm doctor" to save his or her own skin. Now it doesn't have to be power, but that's really all that sets us apart in this game and thus every claim that isn't a power claim of sorts is essentially worthless.

And major flaw alert in Lorick's logic. People never pick me for teams until I'm the last remaining because of my attitude.

Just to clarify, that last line is a depressed joke. Go read the Truth or lie thread.

Emo-pants.

I still don't get how it forces someone to claim. They can pretty much ignore the votes until they reach a critical level, and voting for Dugan didn't do anything except spark a math-based flame war because I was bored at work.

You're supposed to use the emote. *emo*

And anyway, at that critical level, they have to roleclaim or risk being hammered (lynched). Dugan was lucky, but if someone, say Zenon had voted for him, he'd be at five votes and (if that had been our basis for voting for him) would have to roleclaim.

Sorry if it doesn't make too much sense. I'm too tired.

*cricket*

Perhaps there isn't a majority for a lynch....

Vote: No Lynch