someone should test it, but for some reason I was certain that you could tell that your shadow was taken. might have been in score and not an affliction, not sure. But I guess it's true that you can't undo the shadowstealing, like you can cure limbs with crucify. On the other hand, Choke isn't an instant-kill.

Hmm... what if choke was cured by getting the mana level of the caster down to a certain level? Or by giving them a certain type of affliction? (such as confusion or amnesia or stupidty or maybe just disfigurement?)

I sort of like the idea of disfigurement in that Night gets upset that you are ugly and stops the choke.

Yes. Those abilities, like yours, are superb in Choke. We're referring to outside of Choke hindering long enough to stick it against someone. Paralysis will not do that, nor will Rigormortis for that matter. Night Bonds is helpful, but doesn't stop tumbling. Brumetower stops Druidic abilities, yes. However, it too has a long eq time associated with it. Nature Vines can be writhed out from and moved away before I also regen eq. Same with Shieldstun.

Honestly, if you all want, I can make a list of tactics that every class out there can use to beat a Shadowdancer.

Ah, now I see what you're trying to say. You want to make it more difficult to pull off a walk in/choke by increasing the eq time on dropping shadows. But then you want to make it easier to pull off said walk in/choke (or just choke in general?) by giving yourself more hindering abilities. Seems a bit counterproductive - if the issue is that choke is too easy to pull off, then fix that. No need to subsequently make it easier.

Plus, since 95% of the Lusternian population relies exclusively on Treant (which doesn't have any good choke curing), that's why many of you lose when dealing with it.

Or, instead of complaining about Choke, you can do what some high tier people have done and code an automated choke curing system, as well as learn to fight in it. There's a reason why people such as Ceren, Narsrim, Shuyin, among others survive well in Choke and seldom die in it. It's not passive effects, that is one part of it. It's because they don't freak out. Plus, since 95% of the Lusternian population relies exclusively on Treant (which doesn't have any good choke curing), that's why many of you lose when dealing with it.
They are a good example how it is NOT streamlined to have choke, you need a system shouldnt need two.

Choke has been nerfed already. It's a less evil incarnate of what it apparently was before. Seriously. Just learn how to fight in it. It is not hard. Especially now that you don't have to deal with passive mana drain. Just keep Marjoram and Myrtle out. Create some highlights, alias, and so forth. Refusal to get better at dealing with a powerful ability is no reason to nerf it yet again.
Fae do alot more than you want to give them credit for.

Oh, not to mention that we'll have Firstaid soon. Which will make Choke a little bit easier. Anyone who thinks Choke is a run or die situation clearly does not understand the foundation of Choke which is being more offensive than the other person. Druid's should have -zero- issue with this. It's that the common population of Druid's can't even do the base REJECT PERSON, ENEMY PERSON while they're in Choke. Which is not our problem. Stop relying on your system to keep you alive, learn to manual. (Maesin had zero issue with me as a Druid in Choke. In fact, he enjoyed fighting me in Choke and won most of the time. Most of you are just doing it wrong.)
Again... fae are a passive offense. It is not hard to be more offensive, especially if you have hexes

Yes. Those abilities, like yours, are superb in Choke. We're referring to outside of Choke hindering long enough to stick it against someone. Paralysis will not do that, nor will Rigormortis for that matter. Night Bonds is helpful, but doesn't stop tumbling. Brumetower stops Druidic abilities, yes. However, it too has a long eq time associated with it. Nature Vines can be writhed out from and moved away before I also regen eq. Same with Shieldstun.

Honestly, if you all want, I can make a list of tactics that every class out there can use to beat a Shadowdancer.

If you think that's difficult, think about Moondancers, how on earth can you stick wane aeon, which is a lot harder to stick than Choke, not to mention SD are more offensively orientated than MD.

Hexes! Sleeplock!

Edit: It's that thing called your tertiary. All the things you mentioned in that post were not from your tertiary.

every disadvantage you suffer in choke is a disadvantage suffered by the one doing the choking.

Unless said choker has a friend along.

To be entirely fair, it's not equivalent. Those Shadowdancers all learned how to fight in choke because that's the only way they could get aeon. If choke destroys you as a Moondancer, it would be suicidal for you as a Shadowdancer, because it's awfully similar. Yes, choke's more effective, but every disadvantage you suffer in choke is a disadvantage suffered by the one doing the choking. With aeon, you never have to learn how to do more than push an offense. You let your system take care of the rest.

Plus, since 95% of the Lusternian population relies exclusively on Treant (which doesn't have any good choke curing), that's why many of you lose when dealing with it.

There is no way to survive choke.
It's a joke pretty much cheating.

There is, actually. Pause system, cure the critical afflictions that prevent you from leaving (rigormortis, paralysis, etc.), cure outside, come back in. Or you could use a meld and stack up more passives than the Night-user, since even the caster is affected by Choke.

On the other hand - I wouldn't mind changing Choke into something less griefy- like regular Aeon. However, Lash/Succumb would need to be balanced again, since the primary reason for the switch of those abilities was to lessen a Shadowdancer's passive offense with Choke.

Pause my system how like I, you know did that. Its bs and don't talk like oh you could just walk out, you bloody know its not possible with paralyse sleep and web being thrust up your butt every 1.5 seconds

Actually, I was probably having as much trouble as you. Your demesne kept throwing me down. I was only able to hit you only once or twice within a minute (but apparently those were enough, so...)

Of course they were enough you don't actually have to do anything once choke is down just have your ents attack and giggle as you win.

This is not true, though, if the target knows what he's doing and what's happening. Generally, the Night-user Chokes only when the odds are stacked in his favor - if not (like, target has more passives/high damage/etc.), the Choke may very well his own suicide. If you had sipped health or eat sparkleberries and cured legs and paralysis, you could have gotten out. I wasn't even able to vine, since it was an indoors room in your meld.