Casilu2009-10-28 21:59:17
QUOTE (Lorick @ Oct 28 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, to be fair, it isn't like we don't have means to make sure we at least gain some sort of momentum. Stealth users can waylay for easy starts, Tahtetso can polevault for a first strike, ect. Also, now all monks have a means to start off at mo1 without even using forms. For example, I could tahto'sho ground, mo1, polevault in raze/kick mo2, and tahto'sho the target to be at mo4 only using two forms. All other monk guilds can as well.
Edit : Well, except the polevault bit. Each has their own method.
Edit : Well, except the polevault bit. Each has their own method.
Shofangi really don't have a method to make sure they get some momentum like that, especially since the Shofangi next room attack always caused me to lose momentum.
Unknown2009-10-28 22:02:15
QUOTE (Celina @ Oct 28 2009, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Monks are still OP. As long as their afflictions rely on the attacker rather than the attacked, it will remain this way. Hindering is a normal part of combat, but with monks, such a large focus must be put on hindering that killing a monk can be difficult because you can't spare the time to stop webbing/shieldstun/etc etc.
Sure they "suck" at low momentum, though grapple chains are kind of retarded.
Sure they "suck" at low momentum, though grapple chains are kind of retarded.
I'll agree with you when you say that monks are OP as long as their afflictions rely on the attacker rather than the attacked, I've never heard it put better. I'm strongly with getting rid of momentum and implimenting wound based affliction. I don't care if we're somewhat close to knights. We'll never be knights because we cannot tank as well as them, so that will allow us to have better or more high end afflictions to balance it out in my opinion. And that would be characteristic of a monk.
And Lorick, I've personally never found the use of tahtosho ground or ninchu air, so I've never used it. Why bother waste balance and gain momentum if it's not afflicting, when you can do the same while afflicting. Also, the Ninjakari aren't so fortunate as to have such useful low momentum afflictions as the Tahtetso do. I'm pretty sure the Ninjakari has the worst low momentum afflictions out of all the monk guilds. And our tendon is dependent on a grapple requirement, which can be nulled by stunning/webbing/anything of the sort to stop the grapple ender writhe out in time to avoid a regeneration affliction. I agree that Tahtetso are OP though.
Tervic2009-10-29 23:32:17
QUOTE (Yukio @ Oct 28 2009, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll agree with you when you say that monks are OP as long as their afflictions rely on the attacker rather than the attacked, I've never heard it put better. I'm strongly with getting rid of momentum and implimenting wound based affliction. I don't care if we're somewhat close to knights. We'll never be knights because we cannot tank as well as them, so that will allow us to have better or more high end afflictions to balance it out in my opinion. And that would be characteristic of a monk.
And Lorick, I've personally never found the use of tahtosho ground or ninchu air, so I've never used it. Why bother waste balance and gain momentum if it's not afflicting, when you can do the same while afflicting. Also, the Ninjakari aren't so fortunate as to have such useful low momentum afflictions as the Tahtetso do. I'm pretty sure the Ninjakari has the worst low momentum afflictions out of all the monk guilds. And our tendon is dependent on a grapple requirement, which can be nulled by stunning/webbing/anything of the sort to stop the grapple ender writhe out in time to avoid a regeneration affliction. I agree that Tahtetso are OP though.
And Lorick, I've personally never found the use of tahtosho ground or ninchu air, so I've never used it. Why bother waste balance and gain momentum if it's not afflicting, when you can do the same while afflicting. Also, the Ninjakari aren't so fortunate as to have such useful low momentum afflictions as the Tahtetso do. I'm pretty sure the Ninjakari has the worst low momentum afflictions out of all the monk guilds. And our tendon is dependent on a grapple requirement, which can be nulled by stunning/webbing/anything of the sort to stop the grapple ender writhe out in time to avoid a regeneration affliction. I agree that Tahtetso are OP though.
I think he's saying use tahtosho ground or ninchu air before you move into the same room as your target, such that you start at mo1 before combat even begins.
Merik2009-10-29 23:46:13
I don't know too much about Ninjakari, but from small talks I've gotten from Lyco, I'd say nekotai are worse off in just about every area.
Everiine2009-10-30 01:54:03
I've always heard that the Tahtetso had gotten the short stick. They compensate with the size of their tahtos .
Unknown2009-10-30 03:30:15
QUOTE (Tervic @ Oct 29 2009, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think he's saying use tahtosho ground or ninchu air before you move into the same room as your target, such that you start at mo1 before combat even begins.
Sometimes you're not so fortunate to have the person wait on you, but in some circumstances, I can see its usefulness I suppose.
Unknown2009-10-30 04:09:46
QUOTE (Merik @ Oct 29 2009, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know too much about Ninjakari, but from small talks I've gotten from Lyco, I'd say nekotai are worse off in just about every area.
I had heard that Nekotai were actually the best off of all the monks now, in the right hands.
Then again, I also heard that if I manage to light a monkey on fire, I get 100 dollars, but that ain't right.
Lorick2009-10-30 04:25:52
Nekotai has some advantages. Just like all the specs, it has a focus.
Celina2009-10-30 07:43:38
Actually, it's a tie between tahtetso hemi spam and shofangi bullrush for most OP.
Shiri2009-10-30 08:14:28
Are you sure you mean bullrush? Maybe I didn't notice a gigantic buff to it or something but it used to just be a 5p kumati...
Esano2009-10-30 08:17:17
She means bullrage.
Celina2009-10-31 03:44:41
Right, bullrage. That thing Casilu walked in and owned me with before I knew what hit me. That wasn't nerfed as far as I know.
Casilu2009-10-31 04:04:35
QUOTE (Celina @ Oct 30 2009, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Right, bullrage. That thing Casilu walked in and owned me with before I knew what hit me. That wasn't nerfed as far as I know.
Was that pre-momentum? If it was, yes it was. It stopped giving every kata modifier in every spec.
Evomire2009-11-06 10:01:32
QUOTE (Lorick @ Oct 28 2009, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, to be fair, it isn't like we don't have means to make sure we at least gain some sort of momentum. Stealth users can waylay for easy starts, Tahtetso can polevault for a first strike, ect. Also, now all monks have a means to start off at mo1 without even using forms. For example, I could tahto'sho ground, mo1, polevault in raze/kick mo2, and tahto'sho the target to be at mo4 only using two forms. All other monk guilds can as well.
Edit : Well, except the polevault bit. Each has their own method.
Edit : Well, except the polevault bit. Each has their own method.
Does BullCharge grant momentum? From the way it's worded it seems like, because it's not a kata form, it wouldn't. Also, you lose 2 momentum for switching targets. Tahto'sho ground = 1mo, polevault in raze/kick = -2 mo + 1 mo, for 0mo and then 1 mo, ending you with no benefit at all from the tahto'sho. It seems like an oversight in the recent monk tweak that resigned it to the position of 'pissing contest kata.'
QUOTE (Celina @ Oct 31 2009, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Right, bullrage. That thing Casilu walked in and owned me with before I knew what hit me. That wasn't nerfed as far as I know.
From what I've heard, BullRage isn't very good anymore. I'd assume due to a separation of the the weapon/unarmed kata. Of course, I'm not sure how accurate that is.
Unknown2009-11-07 02:45:24
QUOTE (Celina @ Oct 31 2009, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Right, bullrage. That thing Casilu walked in and owned me with before I knew what hit me. That wasn't nerfed as far as I know.
Yup. One of the reasons it was so amazing was because of skive -which you can't use with it anymore in at least the first five forms after it because of all the power it takes-. It's at least five times harder to use in a chain now, which was one of the reasons it was so overwhelming.
But I do agree that we're still OP.
Arix2009-11-07 04:02:13
Is it bad that I read that log, and found the part where Urazial complained about Yukio running somewhat amusing?
Urazial2009-11-07 04:36:58
Not any worse than my being amused by trolls.
Arix2009-11-07 04:42:10
That wasn't a troll. You have never seen me troll. That was me wondering why that was funny out loud. Also, do try to keep personal attacks to yourself
Urazial2009-11-07 04:46:42
QUOTE (Arix @ Nov 6 2009, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That wasn't a troll. You have never seen me troll. That was me wondering why that was funny out loud. Also, do try to keep personal attacks to yourself
Of course it was, and of course I have. And that certainly wasn't a personal attack. Like your own post, it was an observation. If you don't like responses to your own posts, measure twice cut once.
Arix2009-11-07 04:51:00
No, you really haven't. I only made my post because I thought it was weird that that bit made me laugh. You on the other hand, made a personal attack that I found greatly offensive