I haven't mulched in over 2 weeks iirc.

Anyhow my first post here sums it up. If one really wants change, act accordingly and advocate it. It will rub off on people and over time things do actually change. (@Sad)

Oh. I thought it was more then that. Should have been paying closer attention I guess.

I haven't mulched/cut down any elder trees. All the ones I've gotten recently are just mature druid trees.

(Shop Paavik for all your lumber needs.)

I have been, thanks!!!

People fear dying and they don't like losing. You can't ever call people on a zerg either, mostly because we all zerg at one point, plus you get snubbed. I offered people 1v1, but it seems like no matter what someone will always come in.

Gero, me and you fight a lot! Some wine is usually involved on my end, but that's beside the point.

@ Ixion: who is Marie? We most certainly didn't kill her, as we took Ishant's medallion straight to Nil. We didn't even go via earth...

It's true

Very true indeed.

Part of the annoyance is that the people who instigate a retaliatory raid, often don't really have to clean up the mess that results.

As for zerging, I'll zerg in my own orgs territory (i.e. in defense), mostly because I'm more interested in making an annoying person going away than actually "winning" or even killing them, much less facilitating some sort of sparring match in my own metaphorical living room.

As for chasing, I should buy Shuyin's map, because I'm terribad at it- I know the territory well enough- Serenguard can't flow, and I didn't have moonbeam until I got used to walking everywhere. I just don't move especially well.

More elder moonharts have been cut down in the last week alone than Nienla and Urazial are copping to in this thread, so either there's a few other people involved and hiding their actions behind those two showing in the forest (unlikely), or someone's losing count (more likely), or someone's lying (I refuse to speculate on that one's likelihood). But I wouldn't count forumRP-propaganda as meaning much no matter who it's coming from. You might as well play the escalating-retaliation game because there's no other game to play, and everyone's got their blame-fall-guy lined up for it so you might as well use yours. Escalating retaliation has never, ever, ever served as a deterrent, but it's still the most popular technique, because Something Must Be Done And This Is Something.

Viynain chopped some, too.

I've got reason to believe that Viynain's choppings aren't enough to make up the difference, but that's not just beside the point, it entirely misses the point. Quibbling over the precise count of trees cut by one person or another, or how many could have been cut in one particular incident out of scores, is the best sign of what's wrong, so quibbling about my count is just more of the same.

There's always enough actions to justify everyone else's actions, as well as their sense of moral superiority, equally. And now that Glomdoring has had their turn being the bully (and doing everything that they swore they'd never do while it was being done to them, just like everyone else did when it was their turn), the circle is complete, everyone's exactly equal. There's precisely zero justification, and precisely an infinite amount of apparent justification, and that's enough to indefinitely sustain escalation so long as that conflict remains divorced from two things, purpose and consequence. Quibbling over numbers of trees isn't just a symptom of that process: it's that process being played out. It's like actors emoting at an empty theater. Some of them aren't even persuading themselves, and certainly no one's persuading anyone else.

Ura kills Ladies daily. He's not so big on trees. Just because Ura is the more constant annoyance doesn't mean you get to blame everything on him. Just...most things.

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The people who claimed this have kept to it. Sadhyra and Nienla aren't old guard. Celina, Xiel, Shuyin, and Krellan aren't really Glom (although Shuyin and Krellan know restraint anyways and Xiel's not much of a griefer). Ura's been opportunistic and hypocritical as long as I've known him, and he sure never promised to be the better man. I sure don't go grief-raiding on alts. Xenthos doesn't show up to these parties. Diamante, Shayle, Nirrti, lots of others from that period, they're all gone. So, when you actually get into the details of what you're claiming...yeah, you're wrong.

No offense, but if one person/community acts how they would like to be treated it will not change other people's actions on raiding/fighting. People will see any sort of "we're only going to fight fairly" as a chance to jump you and beat you into the goddamn ground. This is why we have the tit for tat issue. Someone did a hit and run and it frustrated the hell outta the other side so they said "f this" and in turn did it to them. So began the vicious cycle of zerging, hit and run, etc. There are a few people who do the fair fight and yet I've never seen any org actually go "ok, none of are fighters are going to do hit and run tactics and that sort and if they do we'll punish them for it." But then again, no org will do it.

You get tried after a time of being beaten down and thus turn to the tactics of your enemies, which some will consider it to be the "dirty" tactics. If people really want others to be fair, I think about the only thing that can do that is if the admin code in that if you start attacking a place you like get "stuck" or something that prevents you from constantly run in and out. Something the -forces- you to fight instead of being a little bitch. This too will never happen because people will whine and become upset that they have to fight when they decided to be annoying and irritating by mulching trees, or killing a lady. You're stirring the pot if you decide to head into enemy territory, everyone should know that. Yet very few are actually willing to take the beaten that should come from stirring things up. They want to have their "fun" yet take no consequences for it. Unfortunately that's exactly what happens. No punishments are really doled out.

Thus, Sadhyra you will probably never find anyone that is really willing to do a "fair" duel or fight or anything is this game because we don't punish people who play the cheat scape and take the easy way.

Actually there is a simple solution with such things, and one that is not based on some idea of punishment. That would be diplomatic relations. Serenwilde could always approach Glomdoring for a cease fire or treaty of sorts. If it chooses to not do so and pursue other avenues, that then is entirely a player or perhaps character choice.

It has worked just fine for Celest (though it seems that the Celestian divine are inclined to try to break that up) and is a good way to ensure that Serenwilde does not have to deal with such issues.

Friendly diplomatic relations don't stop kick-and-run raids overall. They just ensure that it doesn't happen to you.

Any solution that makes it difficult to do the kick-and-run raid thing, however, will most likely only encourage those individuals seeking a "fair" fight for their own amusement to bring along some friends and stay a while longer to do more damage.

Because the diplomatic route has always worked.

Has as much chance of success as forum whining, yes. Probably more. Actually, hard to say in Lusty given its track record. I'd give it a 50/50 chance- which is still better than nothing.

In precisely the same way that everyone has always been wrong, every time everyone has ever used someone else's actions or alleged actions to justify doing whatever it is they're doing. Again, the point is staring you in the face, and you keep mistaking it for an error in the post you can point out as if you caught me. Maybe I should abandon trying to say things directly and just try to get people to realize things in the process of refuting fake arguments. (Actually, maybe that's what edit: name deleted does. It would explain a lot.)