Ok, maybe everybody isn't aware of this, but power makes people bleepheads. When you can easily crush somebody under your foot, it takes an inordinate amount of self-control not to do it. Nobody, not a single organization in the history of Lusternia can claim they have acted with self-control in this sort of matter.

Yes, from my experiences on my Glom characters over the past year, Serenwilde's combatants were acting like dickheads. But that doesn't excuse the actions of the Glom combatants now.

Escalating conflict is the name of the game here, people, and there's nothing anybody seems to be willing to do to stop it. Even the non-coms are crying out for blood, when perhaps it may just be the better decision to let them have their fun, and then let them get bored when nobody cares anymore, and nobody gives them what they want, which is obviously attention.

I wasn't going to comment at all on this thread, but sorry Fern, what you said popped out. (And this isn't directed to you at all, so don't worry!)

But, I am a non-com and I don't give two about the conflict going on right now. Non-coms are being pressured more and more to do something, but no, they shouldn't be. And that is not apathy, nor is it whatever IC crime you can come up with. I have fought in this game before, I enjoyed parts and I hated parts, so now I'm simply enjoying what I want to enjoy and I don't ruin the game for myself by doing the parts I hate too.

Quite frankly, everyone complaining about "we can't do this because of the war" and "we're being forced to do that because of the war" is silly. Just do what you want. If people care that you aren't playing the game like they want you to play it and giving you a hard time for it, they can go suck a .

I was talking about the Serenwilde non-coms, actually. Crying that we should retaliate in order to "put glom in it's place" and "show them the consequences of their actions" when, obviously, that's not going to do anything except elicit more negative response.

My biggest problem right now, actually, may be the fact that one of the Serenwilde divine is prodding the commune into taking offensive action. Don't get me wrong, I love interacting with the gods, it's awesome, and I'll always welcome any interaction. But when we are obviously hurting, telling the commune to go stir up more trouble for itself is not helpful!

Actually, it sounds like you have PKers in the making.

It just bothers me when people who choose to remain non-coms "cry out for blood," because you either do something about it (join the combat) or don't let it affect you. People shouldn't sit on fences.


...and that's really the worst. Man, I'm sorry you have to put up with that. :\\

Who's said this? If it's randomalt1234, safe bet they don't really give a .



Yes. This pissed me off to no end. 2/3ds to 75% of the game's serious combatants are in one org that can all over the rest of the game at will. For what little my opinion is worth, a divine should have better sense than to throw their org to the wolves like that, RP or no. I mean, it's sad when Eventru, a freaking Celestian divine, had to step in.


Finally, we're in a loop where the logic from a few Seren instigators is, "they're going to do it anyway, because balance is so skewed at this point, nobody can stop them, so we might as well annoy them."

Which I disagree with, but even when we don't respond, a few people insist on continuing to chop anyway, which just validates their view in their own eyes.

Restraint is a two-way street, but Glom's overreacting aggression seems to have done away with theirs. And, as the most powerful org, it has attracted the usual cadre of bullies. So a few bullies/instigating individuals from both sides create a fairly stupid excuse to grind any org that isn't Glom to pieces, because the balance of the game is so attrotious at the moment.

I don't want to disagree with your points, because you almost always make very cogent arguments. What I do want to know, is who you think the "bullies" inside Glomdoring are? Can be done via PM instead of openly if you want, but from my perspective, no one in Glom has reached Ethelon levels of novice assault/griefing. Obviously I say this from inside Glom, looking out, and I don't pay that much attention to deathsight - which is why I'm curious what the rest of the playerbase thinks.

That is pretty bad when your Pantheon urges you to fight and cause trouble when you're in no condition to do so. However, I don't entirely agree with Eventru's "saving of Serenwilde" either. Starting a world event and excluding one org from it is pretty petty, even for a Divine.

Bullies was a very poor choice of word on my part, both in the actual definition sense, and for the fact that there is a game mechanic with the same name.

Replace it with "People who, regardless of the current intensity of the fighting, like to repeatedly demonstrate what everyone already knows- that is- Seren has very, very few combatants left. This is done by repeatedly chopping, killing ladies, etc, which inevitably produces the predictable response from their Serenwilde equivalent, which in turn, somehow justifies a way over the top response by all of Glomdoring, every time."

Also note that I actually get along OOC with some of said bullies on either side, so it's not a frothing hatred thing. But I disagree with the actions, just because the consequences fall on too many other people.

Honestly, the main reason I raid Serenwilde is because you're the only organization that Glomdoring is capable of mechanically dealing damage to. I assure you that if Glomdoring had mechanics in which we could convert Demon Lords to attack the Necromantate, Serenwilde would not be on our radar at all. It just stands that you guys make the most sense to attack mechanically.

That is actually something I have wanted to see implemented for a year now.

Thanks for the clarification, makes a lot more sense and puts the situation in a bit of a different light (and one which is closer to my own opinion). Not really sure what can be done about it though.

EDIT: Nienla also makes an awesome point, would be nice to be able to mechanically deal damage to Magnagora and Celest. I know the combat I enjoy the most tends to involve Mag fighters vs Glom fighters. Except for the programmed illusions I really enjoyed fighting Ceren, Ixion and Esano inside EtherGlom this morning, even though it was a pretty convincing loss on our part.

It's a shame that we only got hai'Gloh and that it takes both communes working together. There should always be some other, understandably lesser, quest to harm any organization from any other without requiring the assistance or approval of someone else.

This would indeed be nice.

Bring back nexus weakenings!

From my standpoint, you have two options: 1) Go with it and see how things shake out, or 2) Sue for peace and see how that shakes out. There's not much point sitting in the middle doing neither and complaining about it-- if you want lack of combat, you could always try to go for what Celest did for a couple of months. But that means your raiders would also have to stop attacking anybody at all, as part of it... Celest seemed happy enough to do that, I'm not so sure Seren would be.

To Gregori: I'm really curious about something. You are getting very bitter and angry, on the whole, so I have to ask you... do you regret what you used to do? The off-hour chopping of elders, including yells such as "Oh I'm, a lumberjack and I'm okay" (or whatever it was along those lines)? The camping of Crow and the killing of the baby? The shouts? Everything you were doing to prove that you were the "biggest, baddest guy in town"?

I'm not asking in regards to the current situation so much as... I would like to know if you truly have had a change of heart on the whole situation regardless of who is "on the bottom". You really weren't much better, yourself, yet you're so upset. It doesn't make much sense to me. Lendren's standpoint makes more sense to me simply because it doesn't change based on Seren's current situation (well, the fundamental part of it-- now that Seren's hurting for cultural activity he's not really playing any more because that was what he was interested in, but his views on the combat side of things haven't changed much), but I just don't know where you're coming from.

(From my end I've been doing my best to give people the option to not go to war, yet they seem to keep deciding to anyways. I still have to admit that I am flabbergasted that Seren declared war this time)

Edit: In the end, this is a roleplaying game, and you -do- have options if you want to try politicking versus sword-waving. Will they necessarily work out? Maybe, maybe not, depending on how the conversations go, but you're not locked into one path here for all eternity. Things change.

Have to agree there. They weren't perfect, but I was astonished when they were summarily removed.

Failed efforts are better than excuses!

I would imagine Gregori was slightly overreacting/exaggerating when he called Glom the Worst People Ever ™.

Xenthos does make absolutely valid points, and while people seem quite intent on not believing the results of asking for peace, it really does work so long as some people are willing to swallow a bit of their pride.

I imagine that's going to happen at some point within the year again, so you'll see.

1. My attacks at that time were based on being tired of Tynghall coming into northern serenwilde and chopping down trees and snorting spores back to the master ravenwood constantly. I even told Arylion, Nyir and Ried to keep him out and I would stay out. They didn't.
2. You can't even say "they were in response to Alianna and Lehki" because at that time Alianna hadn't been on in weeks(in fact it was a major reason I was against her getting Ascendant a month and a half later, the inactivity) and Lehki hadn't touched your trees in the same amount of time. Lehki even complained at the time that he hadn't touched trees in ages and should start again and did shortly after I did.
3. I mostly (99% of) mulched normal trees, after chopping down a couple Elders and talking to Arilyon OOC and finding out how frustrating it was on her and a couple others to replant them I stopped touching them (ironically one of the same people doing it now to Serenwilde was also in that conversation)
4. I never went into Glomdoring with the sole purpose of keeping Elders dead after they were replanted by continuously chopping down mature trees and moonhart saplings as they were trying to regrow. (strangely enough the person who did do this is the same person doing it to Serenwilde now. So, he is retaliating against Serenwilde for his own actions against Glomdoring?)
5. My raid on the collegium mobs was a direct response to logging on and seeing centaur colts killed by Glomdoring. It's not my fault that anything of importance in Glomdoring requires a raid, is flagged invincible, is not flagged loyal, or is not even really existant (shadows) so can't be attacked in the first place compared to just about every single mob in Serenwilde and hey look, now you even have four more (1 of which being again a loyal) mobs to kill. Yay!
6. My attacks on Glomdoring were always the morning - early evening with the exception of my collegium attack and in direct retaliation to something someone in Glomdoring had done just recently. Like trying to rage coven me in the Southern Mountains while I harvested because Talan saw me and ran back to Glom to get a coven together.
7. I stopped completely after a little over two weeks of doing this, period. I didn't continue day after day, hour after hour for months.
8. Crow can't be camped.
9. Killing the baby only worked until the admins decided to step in and revolt the village to help Glomdoring. Funny how you all have your panties in a knot about admins stepping in on Serenwilde's behalf now.

I am sure you or some other glom player will have some victim card to counter all this. Don't expect a response though. I only replied to this cause it was such a great display of real life False Memory.

I think that the issue isn't so much that the admins are stepping in, but how they're stepping in. I mean honestly, revolts that help an org is a much different creature then intentionally excluding a whole commune from being able to participate in harmless fun.

And just to remind you, I'm neither Glom, nor Celestian, nor anything at this point. Ask anyone, the last time I did something meaningful in-game was about 4 months ago, and that was simply getting myself unenemied.