Who cares about off-peak raiding? This discussion was restarted by somebody whining about the fact that they 'can't do anything kick and run'. Why would anybody kick and run at off-peak hours, when there is supposedly nobody around to stop them?

The thread overall is about raiding in general. You're just mushing two separate issues into one.

Desi has it right, pretty much. I do miss those posts.

Yawn. Mag raids when no one is around? News to me.

No.

Prime Seren was what I was talking about for#2, yeah- Faeling/Elfen in the treetops, Stablekeeper, etc. These don't mean ANYTHING, strategically. Stop killing them. If you want a fight, stay for a fight- but stop the pointless 'raids'.

EDIT: Ladies/daughters are strategic, angels are strategic... Stablemasters, are not.

It could be subconscious; so used to running whenever people are around so you do it when there's not? I dunno, just takin' a shot in the dark!

If IRE advertised more heavily in Australia and, I don't know, India, there might not be an off-peak.

And Polynesia.

I'm going to say to Sharduk's point that AM raiding is stupid. Why? There are people that, most know for a fact, live on the east coast or somewhere in the States. Some of these people have been known to stay up into the AM's and raid while everyone is asleep. You raise valid points concerning the people that live in India, etc. However, I'm fairly sure that half of the people that show up in the logs for raiding don't live in these time zones. They know what they're doing.

Also, I raid Prime Serenwilde. Why?

1.) Since Supermob conflict has died, there is a lack of any avenue of conflict outside of raiding denizens loyal to that organization.

2.) Individuals never leave their home org area, nor do they fight alone anyway if they get attacked. No one accepts the request for a duel unless it's blatantly one-sided in their favour.

3.) It's not like I can sneak in most of the time anyway. AncestralWatch pretty much locks down Ethereal Serenwilde if I enter there, and most Serenwilders (Kelysa, Sarrasri, Iasmos, Lendren) have Spectacles of Clairvoyance to spot me as soon as I enter anyway.

In short, I'm bored. Conflict is dry. There's nothing else for me to do except bash. If anything, raiding doesn't need to be curbed. There needs to be more avenues of conflict since the administration has pretty much destroyed most of it on a whim. Yes, on a whim. I distinctly remember preaching repeatedly over a certain aether that supermobs were fine, and that Glomdoring killing nine of them was a very rare coincidence and it was about nine consecutive raids where we just kept coming back. But nope, they were buffed to the point of ridiculousness and will continue to be there until they realize it was a mistake and bring them back to what they were before. All in all, there are more chances of Fain joining Celest as their Patron before this happens.

I had fun sparring with you, even though I can't scratch a druid in a real fight. What isn't fun is when it's you, Celina, Viynain, Shuyin, Thul, Talan, Albiorix, Urazial... Because at that point we either just have everyone on one person and they die, or a bunch of us get picked off and killed, or you lead us a merry chase for ages.

There's nothing mechanically fair to regulate when people choose to attack. A recent example (And just using you because you're saying it's stupid.) You killed those collegium mobs in Gaudi (And I know you didn't kill those particular mobs intentionally knowing they were collegium ones, just saying what they were so you know the incident.) at 20:17 on March the 1st GMT. For people on the west coast, that's 12:17 - noon - on a Monday. How many people do you think would reasonably be around on a Monday afternoon with no holiday? Probably not a lot. Most people have work or school at that time.

But maybe that's the time when Nienla can play. Maybe she can't play when it's 7 pm my time and try to raid then. Maybe Nienla has a night shift job instead of a day shift job, so her relaxation time takes place during the morning/day instead of at night. I'm not implying you chose that time on purpose, and I'm not implying that people don't specifically choose times to do things that put one org or another at an extreme disadvantage, but what I am saying is that there's no way for the game to know. Lusternia can't tell if Nienla is raiding Gaudiguch purposely at noon because there are few defenders, or because that's when Nienla can play. So I'm really not sure how you can mechanically modify anything to make these things not occur.

I welcome the conflict. It's fun to me. (More so when it's not just a kick and run.) But no game should be saying that I can't enjoy my time here because other people aren't awake. And as far as the smobs being buffed, you may be right, though with how they are, it really makes off peak raids a non-issue since off peak raiders can't down them anyhow. So while it might not have been the right answer to the problem, it certainly eliminated most of the pain that those people on the east coast you're talking about that purposely log in when another org isn't around to grief can cause.

But I enjoy the merry chases.

Dude, you know that there's really no dedicated combatants in Serenwilde besides me? Don't think there's any other Seren would have any interest in a duels. <,<

I was fighting you one-on-one in our last encounter, outside Serenwilde, not calling for backup at all, and you wouldn't hold still for more than 1.5 seconds.

There are a veritable ton of things to do in Lusternia besides attack other organizations, so if you're bored and PvP is your only thing, then perhaps you should find a new thing or two for a while or take a break.

To be fair, I'm a Druid and I was trying to build a demesne to actually fight you. You know, seeing as how that's the core of my offense and all.

And unfortunately, I disagree about the veritable ton of things to do.

Then leave the super org. Then you'll have all the combatants you could ever want to deal with. I mean, we've had this conversation before, so I say that tongue in cheek, but it's not entirely untrue. If you're in the strongest org, it's little surprise that its harder to get people to want fight you. Both because the reaction tends to be in excess of the initial action, and because of the raw numbers game, that of the combatants online, ipso facto they are more likely to be in the current stronger org.

But, from the deathsights I saw today, I can guarantee that weaker orgs are not experiencing this drought of people fighting them.

I feel buffing the super mobs was a very good move. With the way Lusternia seems to want to be dramatically lopsided in one way or the other, it means that down orgs are really, really, down, and spend all their time attempting to rebuild the sand castle, only to have it knocked down again before its finished. Overall, I think it's better for morale this way. Even the prime raids, the gaudi mobs, they get a response, but they certainly don't dominate my play time trying to repair hours and hours of damage done on a whim by a mega-org.

I confess I've been tempted to create a Celestian alt lately.

PS: That's how a Druid fights. At least, a living Druid. You have a choice of 1) Laming them back via letting them burn up all their power getting nowhere, or 2) Not fighting them, most of the time.

I.E., druids make terrible raiders.

Akui makes a very good point, though. Bored fighters switch orgs to stem the boredom. That's basically how Serenwilde lost the people they did to Glomdoring, shifting the balance of power dramatically.