If the aura thing was put in, it would be too low. Given their current usefulness though, I think it's about right. As I said, they're just not getting used. People who can use them and go for protector (because, if you go for protector you are supposed to know how to fight at least a little bit, that's part of the job) are usually better off fighting and doing damage / afflictions than sitting back for a bit of damage or spending a lot of power for webbing when they could, again, do it in person.

At least, such is my observation thus far.

Man I actually gained a little more faith in you with that one.

I like my idea better....

What's that supposed to mean? I never said I liked 3 organizations piling on another one. That just creates massive amounts of trolling/flaming on the forums. I just wanted a change of pace from everything being dead silent on the city/guild aethers.
Edit: Combat scares the crap out of me at the moment. The only thing that interests me in conflicts is the potential politics(civilized).

Hi, sorry if I forgot to quote who said what.



Discretionaries already get put up for most raids, regardless of size. I highly doubt the cost is what's keeping people from raising them. I personally think they're too cheap for their effect, but hey. I really think reducing their cost will definitely curb the primetime raiding, but it will encourage offhours conflict more. Then again, that already happens, so...



Heh, yeah, maybe I can ask Viravain to zap my enemies out when they raid. No thanks.



Discretionaries are used to hinder. Ripple and Liveforest do that job wonderfully now. No one laughs at those.



I'm sure the upgrades to the smobs will be quite noticeable, so we'll see how this pans out in the coming weeks. By the way, making mobs stronger as a whole will just be a pain for everyone involved, and like Talan said, people will just get more creative to accomplish their goals.



I think we should just delete the mechanic, make totems stop generating power, and get on with our lives, personally. Alternatively, make liveforest stop treechopping.



I think just being able to peace the defendable area after certain conditions have been met will be simpler, if you want to go that route.



I think the nexus guardian idea is flawed as a whole in the fact the people who will get good at using them is good enough to learn to actually fight and help their team. If you want the nexus guardian thing to work, give them the power to bring large groups of guards with them. I don't think this idea will work on the whole, anyway. You spam healthwarp to the raiders, they leave/kill/die, wait it out, come back, and repeat.

As long as mobs are 2-3 out of 4 attacks damage with 1-2 special attacks per mob they will always be mowed down by people. Level doesn't have anything to do with it until you get to a point where the level is high enough that pure damage can defeat a player, but that is a case of a player bashing in a zone obviously to high for him. This though really only holds for single mobs, the few cases where you have mobs assist each other then damage will be fine against most players.

If you want mobs to be harder to kill you need to adjust their oacts, not their level. Keep in mind though that classes are not equal at bashing and adjusting anything to make bashing harder at various levels does not affect everyone equally.

How about for nexus guardians, if there were a limited number of them for each commune, say, 3. And they were always in existence (maybe an daily power upkeep if you want). If someone dies in them then they explode and disappear but come back the next weave or next month.

So they're always available.

Right. Which leads me to believe raiding wasn't a major issue for everyone before, since everything was dead... no? Or was it not having any ability to retaliate in sight? Or something else?

That wasn't an accusation, just an illustration. Excuse me if it came across the wrong way.

I'm not sure I follow this. Learning how to do a couple of commands needed to run a nexus guardian is way different than learning how to fight. Also, giving them the power to bring a large group of guards seems silly and I'm not sure why that's the only way they'd "work". If they don't do enough damage, we can always easily increase that. If the raiders leave then wait out having their auras return to normal, then mission accomplished--that was the point to begin with!

Part of the "protector" position is "learning how to fight". Protectors get the ability to DEFEND commune mates (at least, I believe that's part of Protector?). It's part of the "combat path" for guilds, because, well... you're supposed to help protect your guildmates. It's not just about guardians. Honestly, at the moment it's not about guardians at all, I guess.

Well, then maybe that should change.

Yes, I have never felt as strongly as some people do about raiding. I always saw it as: raid begins, you transverse to , you wait for a couple of minutes, try to repel, maybe succeed, wait it out if you don't (smobs eventually kill everyone if defending org kills a couple of people). If a Supernal does fall (this is from my point of view), you try to get to water quickly and start gathering essence. If the raiding org wants to take it one step further, they block you, but they eventually get tired. I know it is much more frustrating if you are really into combat, but you really have to know when to step back and relax.

Like I said I'll have to read the thread later (ugh more pages than I really want!) but I'll give you a more cohesive, thought out suggestion(s). Please don't make this thread 10+ cuz I really don't want to take the time to read 10+ pages tomorrow! Kthnxbai, gotta kill newbies in Halo 3.

If guardians were more cost-effective, it's possible it might. Giving someone the ability to burn 400p and not really accomplish anything is asking a bit much, though. We could go for a middle-of-the-road compromise and make it 150p for 5 RL days or so (or maybe a week). Then you summon it and can use it.

Alternatively, I like the other idea I read earlier, which is that they are not summoned for an individual, but the organization can hire a certain number (2-3 max, perhaps). Monthly cost. Any protector+ can use them without further cost. This way you aren't pinning the cost on an individual. If it's destroyed, then it has to "reset" (a certain period of time where it cannot be used).

Or, again, a mixture. A cost of 200p per guardian per IG month, and then 25p or so for a protector to activate it (which lets it be used for X amount of time).

Well what happens if they come, get the aura, leave for it to fade then just come back? As your idea seems we can only cast it once on a person per day

I'm considering the idea for guilds purchasing guardians which can be used by anyone in the guild. I'm not sure why there would be a max though.

Once per person per IC day. And it fades on IC monthchange.

Sure, but warps fade at the end of the game month, so the time they wait to fade could be awhile. They can get a warp every game day, which is stackable and the effects are exponentially worse, the more warps there are.

There would have to be a max if they aren't tied to an individual mostly because otherwise you can stack 10+ really hard-to-kill mobs together and do 7k damage a tick to a raiding force. Whereas, right now, that's 4000 power, heh. And can't be used by other people later in the day, only by the people who summoned them to begin with.

Essentially, if you make the same guardian usable by many people, it's easier (and cheaper) to stack them.