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Ok, I'm confused by the 14/17 vanilla bit. I'd assume the baddies are baddies are baddies, so that's 3 mafia right there. But there wasn't anything saying that the ghostbuster needs activation, so that's 4 non-vanilla from the start...

Maybe the grey lady blocked someone, and that made them vanilla-esque?

Or it's a bluff. If he ever breaks rhyme, we'll know. In fact, I'm almost 100% certain it was a bluff. Reasoning follows:

I'll bet the works like this: All the ghosts were vanilla when Cas posted the count. Some were hands/sheets/whatever and won't be vanilla tomorrow. The current 3 non-vanilla are the Ghostbusters as they're the only ones who don't need any sort of activation. However, he's still guaranteed to be vanilla at this point in time under my logic scheme.

Key point to take home: All ghosts are currently vanilla town.

Our options:
-No lynch. Everyone is town at this point in time. We have zero information on who will morph later.
-Random lynch. Pray we kill someone who would have morphed later into a big nasty.

That makes sense, since nobody was offed. Maybe the mafia need to be converted to be activated.

If that's so, how are the mafia going to be converted in the first place?

Aerotan speaks true, and thus it is so, that Tervic's shown wrong right from the word go.

Hrm.

Not really a whole lot to go on at this point.

There are a lot of roles that start vanilla and then changes to no one knows what. So I'm guessing we'll see our bad guys come from that.

hmm, several interesting theories but not much facts to go on

The list I've reviewed, and again I have thought, but sense of it all, I have deciphered it not. Again I conclude, and again I state, Casilu's "vanilla" term is just a mistake. Perhaps, in this case, what Casilu means is that 3 of the townies have aquired their...beans. Two can convert, and two likely have, but one picked up me and one set one free? I find it unlikely, for I can see, that my role was received quite early. Perhaps one can convert, one more was hit, and one never was; that seems to fit. I don't like that story, and the reason shall be, I received my role early; what else could it be?

I'm going to wait to see what happens.

btw, I'm completely lost as to if class 2-5 or whatever exist currently, or only exist later in the game. (as per the whole lazy mod theme)

Since there are so many vanilla townies and about a billion non-vanilla roles, I'm guessing that at least some roles are a result of conversion.

I'm clueless as to how we're going to advance from here, if there really are still 14 vanillas.

I'd be willing to wager most are, actually.

The main question we need to ask right now is how many of the big bads are conversion roles. I'm gonna reread the roles to see if we're maybe making a mistake about one or two of them.

the rhyming is going to get old really fast, especially since half the time I have no idea what he's trying to say

Ok, I have a hunch.

Vote: Tervic

His 3 Ghostbuster idea makes no sense. The Ghostbusters are town. If they're town and everyone else is vanilla town, then that would mean that the game's over. Town wins.

I'm much more willing to believe that the 3 non-vanilla right now are Viggo, Gozer and Ivo, as they are all conversion roles. And I'm willing to guess that Tervic is one of those three.

After looking back over it, we may not even have a mafia just yet. It looks like the "mafia" is Slor, the Spiderwitch, and...uh...that other guy who I've already forgotten the name of. All three make mention of "the one who came first sends the message" which suggests to me that if any of the roles are active, it may only be one of them. Likewise, Vigo and Gozer both mention having win conditions, but so do Ro, Sham and Bo, Cthulu, and the chaos spirit. These may or may not be exclusive of town winning, but I'm not going to guess the mod on that.

The point you are missing, a big one is it, is that night zero has paid us a visit.

But there has to be at least ONE non-town entity right now, or there would be no game going on, because if you don't have a converter, it's going to be a VERY short game.