Xavius was a joker. He had no friends. There was no need to protect Sadhyra on day 1 or whatever it was.
Unless he converted her and wanted to prolong her lifespan in case she could draw attention from him later.
Vote: Sadhyra.
Unknown2009-11-27 08:22:37
That's exactly what I was thinking. Vote Sadhyra
Rika2009-11-27 08:29:18
That would make sense, except that 1) Xavius didn't know what role Sadhyra got and 2) a dead non-vanilla is as good as a dead vanilla to Xavius. In fact, it's even better to have a dead non-vanilla as vanilla can't do anything but vote.
Unknown2009-11-27 08:34:48
Nope, because Xavius wants to remove all vanillas. Either by converting them, or lynching them. So he'd prefer to lynch a vanilla.
That would make sense, except that 1) Xavius didn't know what role Sadhyra got and 2) a dead non-vanilla is as good as a dead vanilla to Xavius. In fact, it's even better to have a dead non-vanilla as vanilla can't do anything but vote.
Solanis already covered #2 (as did I), but as for #1 it doesn't matter, he would still know he converted her.
I am so confused over the whole Xavius thing. With seeing his role, I have no clue as to why he wanted to draw so much attention to himself or make himself the center of controversy.
He thought that nobody would be stupid enough to vote for a jester on purpose. It backfired.
Oh ok. In which case, Dag should have said if Xavius is lying I'm suspect, not if Xavius turns out to be jester.
Sadhyra, do you remember posting this? Now you want to say there is no logic behind my vote? Seriously?
Xavius said some wierd stuff which made me beleive that either Bali or you were connected to Xavius in some manner. Now that we know that Xavius was converting people, and he had inside knowledge, it seems like a good idea to me to see where this rabbit hole goes.
I'm in the middle of exams so I'll be only temporary present for a few days. Should be back in full vigor soon.
Unknown2009-11-28 00:02:41
You're not making sense. First, you're basing Xavius protecting me off a single post that expressed suspicion in BALI for random voting and not talking. I just happened to be the one Bali voted for (and remember, Bali was a vanilla role, so he was just playing weirdly); Xavius' attention was directed on the weird behaviour, not the target of the behaviour.
Second, it's in a joker's interest to see the vanilla people killed off. By mentioning me at all (even though I think this belief that Xavius was trying to protect me is rather tenuous and grasping at straws) he increases the likelihood that I'll be killed. That is the opposite of protecting someone. That kinda indicates that, yeah, I'm vanilla.
Third, it is nowhere said that the jokers know who each other or any other roles are. They aren't the mafia roles, so I think this means they work as solo agents? Xavius wouldn't know who other roles are.
Finally, I think you guys need to step back and look at Dag's posts again. This sudden claim that I'm suspicious, one he's constantly hammering at, indicates that he himself has something to hide. By trying to target me, especially based on scanty proof, I think we can see that he's grabbing at straws to direct suspicion to someone.
Aerotan2009-11-28 04:42:55
Bit of a WIFOM argument there, since Daganev is by no means a newbie at Mafia and grasping straws is a bit of a mistake as it only draws attention to you when you do it. So the question becomes: Would Daganev pull that sort of gambit counting on us to draw the conclusion that he's too experienced as scum to fall into that trap?
So I can see your logic, Sadhyra, but I disagree with it.
However, I must've missed Xavius defending Sadhyra. Which is actually fairly likely.
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