Xavius, you can't fake the grey lady because then we would be asking you to roleblock people.

But Bali is here to explain himself. His test should have been finished by now.

Ah, I had read 'only one set' of Ghostbusters as two, although I can see how it can be read as one person.

That makes more sense actually, because then it would leave room for the nonvanilla roles we know are coming.

hmm, bali came and went without a post. I'm tempted to vote for him.

On second thought, we can focus on bali tommorow.

No reason not to lynch Xavius and at the same time give reasons for people to NOT kill people.

Am I the only one worried that if we lynch Xavius today, we still risk having someone (Town or otherwise) screw up and nightkill Sham? If that's the case, might be safer to wait and just Nightkill them all instead of lynching, because if we never lynch someone that's rhyming, we're safe from a Jester win.

On the down side, this also makes rhyming a good shield against lynches, but only until we get a Ghostbuster in here to capture them.

4 problems with this.

1. Sham and Bo may not be forced to rhyme.
2. If nobody does a nightkills, they won't "screw up". (if they do do a nightkill, they risk losing the game. Doesn't sound worth it to me.)
3. If we follow your lead, everybody is going to claim to be Sham or Bo to avoid being lynched.
4. A nightkill person may never show themselves, and they will be forced to be lynched anyways.

1. Perhaps, but if that's the case, how do you intend on lynching the other two?

2. Serial Killer (Numerologist) needs to kill in order to win. Do you really think that they're going to stop trying to win just because they might lose? They'll lose anyway if they don't kill.

3. That's why we have the Ghostbusters capture anyone that rhymes.

4. I highly doubt we won't get the Ghostbusters showing up.

Ah, misread the Ro Sham Bo roles. It seems that the Lynch and nightkill may be irrespective of order.Basically they have to form, then break a tie.

And with that, Vote: Xavius

In order for those three to satisfy their win condition, one needs to be lynched, one nightkilled and the last one can go either way. All three must die. We know one of the three roles, is it really in our best interest at this point to eliminate the one role that seems to have been confirmed? Although if we don't take him out, any other vote is just a shot in the dark. More than likely, the other two will not have the rhyming condition, so they will be harder to find.

I am curious as to why he thinks Bali is such a threat.

If we leave Xavius alive, he can't win?

Just to clarify, that wasn't a question. That was a statement.

Unless he's bluffing.

If Xavius can really be bothered bluffing a rhyme restriction, good on him. Otherwise, I don't see it as a bluff.

This.

Well, while it may be a bluff ... no one else seems to have the posting restriction.

Yet. Remember, very few conversions have happened yet.

I'm just saying there are probably 3. No idea who they are though.


Which are guaranteed not here, and even when they -do- get here, we have no idea which ones will have arrived.


They haven't converted yet. They got role PM on night 0, remain vanilla for day 1 (hence the 14/17 vanilla count), will convert on night 1. They can not have possibly converted yet. It's impossible. I shouldn't post when sleep deprived, as I enter into circular repetition. Blah.


Again, see the rules quote.

I don't think win conditions are mutually exclusive, either.

Yeah, I don't see the benefit in killing off Xavius at the moment. I get that in lynching him it would hopefully dissuade people from indiscriminate night kills, but I don't think that will ultimately be enough to prevent people from using their nightkill power and they might end up killing the other Sham/Bo/Ro. By keeping him alive though we can guarantee they don't meet their win condition.

You know, looking through the scenario, there's a decent chance that Xavius is lying, and if he isn't, it actually tells us a lot about the setup.

First, a converted orb into the cult is still a vanilla townie. They're just being used to empower the machine, but it does not alter their status as vanilla. Knowing this, we can conclude that both jokers are out there.

Why? Well, even knowing nothing we have the implication that a joker can convert one person a night. Last lazy mod game had the joker able to convert three people at night 0. Casi admitted that she'd do it differently in this game. However, we do know something. We know that there's 3 non-vanilla out and about. There can't be only one joker, because even if he converted someone last night, we'd be up to two non-vanilla. Hence there must be a second non-vanilla from the start. Another joker whom either didn't convert someone or converted someone to a soon-to-be non-vanilla.

So, either Xavius is a jester, or he is one of the jokers. Fern has a point in that he can be bluffing. And I don't really like his quasi-threaths. Makes me think he really does have something to hide. Vote: Xavius