- Fain

Choke.

It's rather hilarious how defensive you're all getting. I'd like for any of you to point out the drawbacks of using Whispers in a group, compared to using Choke in a group. I assure you there is going to be a pretty vast difference.

But yes, I'm clearly reeking of biased envoy.



Because, as we all know, biased envoys nerf their own skills.

Whispers is a 1p disrupt. Concentrate takes 2s to cure disruption, assuming you don't have other afflictions (such as confusion) which prevent concentrating, and should be cured before whisper can be cast again. If you want to look at the post up there, you'll notice that after the first whisper, Azoth recovered equilibrium before the second. If you fail to cure disruption properly, it's a system issue, and I assure you it's far easier to resolve than writing a whole choke system. There are other disruption skills (e.g. shofangi bullsnort for 0p, waiting for freeze shivering to tick, etc.).

I can't see how whisper does anything for deathsong, considering it does not interfere with deafness, which is the preventative/cure for deathsong/pfifth. Whisper does not cure deafness, does not extend earache, etc. etc.

And truss's writhe time is far longer than the balance, and longer than other writhe times (the standard writhe is 3s). Some people just use tipheret to get around this, which is another 2s cure. Vines is 3.5s, web 4s - if someone can 'effectively time' web then they can far more easily do it with vines, especially considering faeriefire shows you when they writhe. Of course, mugwump and other speed bonuses can bump these below the cure level.

So, what were you saying again?

A succumb nerf announced after succumb was moving to Moon? Yes!

A nekotai buff? Yes!

A nerf to Longnight of your own choosing as other Envoys were discussing how they would like to nerf it? Yes!



You prove my points well, young padawan.

- Fain

Warning raised, posting ban of 7 days.

- Fain

Actually, the three reports was mostly because I just didn't feel like c/p'ing the entire Report List. Though your comment on Nekotai goes lengths to explain that you have no foundation or premise to base any arguments on combat or balance. Why you're replying to me, I can only sum up to your inadequacies as a combatant and you're trying desperately to sound logical and that you know what you're talking about.

Before you rebute by saying that I myself have no combatant ability outside of Choke, I will bring up that I've killed you outside of it. That is all.

I'll just throw out here, that I got whispered while fired (so no other affs), and only after I was fired by Munsia on Celestia and even though I concentrated immediately, I was off-eq long enough for fire to drop and me to be killed. I never regained eq.

I will also say another time, I was whispered and Ceren started chasming me and I was able to concentrate and walk away, so something is a bit buggy with it.

You managed to kill me on your old character, that doesn't count. Don't be ashamed, sunshine.


Fine, let's go into detail on this report. The Nekotai claim they have no skill that prones their targets, and want one. However, they have Oriama, which when used as a modifier on a throw, breaks a limb. If the limb is already broken, it mangles the limb. For a long, LONG while, Oriama was automangle because it checked for prone before mangle. The target was always prone when it checked, so it automangled. Did the Nekotai report it? Of course not, they ran with it like you wouldn't believe.

Don't get me wrong, I'll all for equality. If the Nekotai want a skill to prone their target, why not. I want an instakill that is actually usable, and I want vessels as well. If Desitrus can get me to 12 vessels/2k bleeding in 20 seconds while I'm sipping/sparkle/healscroll, I want that too.

This is false, Melville and both bugged it the second I realized it ages ago, the way it was working is that kata throw, which all monks have, gives a chance to stun, which is prone (not the prone from the throw), and the oriama would see the stun, count it as prone, then mangle the leg, it's been bugged for months.

It didn't automangle all the time, it only mangled when the stun went off

EDIT; turns out it looks like it was fixed, but it wasn't just flat out ignored as previously stated

The bug has to do with being disrupted and using divinefire, not directly with whisper.

Our instakill is not usable without a lot of other group things going on at the same time, and even then we have better things we could be doing. Usually.

Considering I've only had one character, I'll have to assume you're referring to the time I killed you on Earth without choking. Though sure, Nekotai can also have the guaranteed permaprone that comes with Ninjakari. I'm all for equality.

I'm not surprised you're ashamed.


On that note, I keep hearing about this permaprone. Why is it everyone swears Ninjakari can permaprone, but nobody knows how to do it?

I await your words of wisdom.

Because all your fighters are caco or geo. Or Romero.

I find this amusing. You try to insult someone who did actually make a good point, longnight had other options on the table far worse, nekotai do not need a stun/prone mod they can use to up damage and assure a hit, and only when they lost succumb did they decide they needed to remove something they have known for AGES.

Nekotai are indeed the most powerful monks in Lusty. Because no one should be able to stack bleeding that high that fast, and they do it while doing damage, wounds, venoms, and other afflictions. See an issue here? That sounds like a geomancer after using claws, phantoms, and making demesne, and you STILL outafflict them actively. Heaven forbid you hyperactive first and pull it every couple seconds.

Give me a comparative guild, and I dont mean ohh tahtetso can do their insta still if they are in a group. I mean real comparisons.

I'd actually like to know what character I'm being accused of being now. I can add it to the extremely long list of "people I've been accused of being so it sates the delusions of grandeur". Hilariously and ironically, Shaddus is one of the names on that list. So yes, I am quite ashamed.

And maybe because the Ninjakari don't have anyone that knows how to use their abilities. Shocker.

- Fain

What have I done.

Somebody lock this piece o' crap.