4 votes is pathetic, if accurate.

Four votes is not accurate, we actually are up to seven people voting out of thirteen players.

I'd wager and guess that it might have something to do with you still voting for me, yet don't giving any sort of reason for that. So far all I am getting is that I'm emitting some kind of vibe, and since I'm not Super Princess Peach I have no idea what you're talking about. Other instances might have to do with the fact that voting itself is no indication of participation. And it can, in some instances, lead very quickly to ninjalynches. You can just take a look back to see how close I was to being lynched with no chance of self-defense.

And really Siam. You're starting to sound very strange to me. Suddenly you want to hear from me, with as far as I can tell no prior indication of that. When Silf confronted you, the explanation was... odd to say the least. You can already see how many people got crazy mad because of that.

The rules of my game are the same still you know. One chance once a day. At the moment I'm not very well set-up for dialogue.

Answer the question, please. Thanks.

What if she posted but refused to unvote? What conclusion would people have drawn from that given what Rika was implying? As you can see, people already suspect her for even that token unvoting, and just because someone claims they didn't know it was the power activation rather than the charging-up phase doesn't mean they.. actually didn't know.

Likewise to your 'logical' claims - are you expecting scum to say anything different from what a townie would say to defend themselves, like how useful they are to scum, if not discussed by other people or prompted? It doesn't make sense to me how you can think that's even a good way to find out who's town and who's not.



What I'm saying is, aside from the post I quoted earlier regarding your 'justification' for voting Kiradawea, I haven't seen you contribute significantly to the discussion aside from asking people to do so, or even go over Kiradawea's posts in a way more concrete than "oh, I just had a feeling." Why did you think she was giving off the vibes she was? Heaven forbid that we need to back up our reasons for voting with actual analysis.

@Kira: this question



Well of course there's no prior indication of me wanting to hear from you since the thought came to me after people were urging those of us who haven't voted yet to vote. And as for sounding strange, what's stranger than this:



as can be seen above, you not only evaded my question but also seemed to try to deflect attention to me. Yes, you may only get to post once per day, but surely, it wouldn't have taken you more than 5~10 minutes to answer my question. How I wish you answered the question instead.

First:
I prefer Kira's answer rather than a 'what if' theory.

What if Kira posted but refused to unvote?

-It would've made her 'blend in' with other four who voted. Given that Rika has mentioned afterwards that one of the five who voted is scum. Why make herself stand out by trying to unvote?

You imply that Kira already knew that it was the power activation and that she just claimed that she didn't know. What then? Do you mean to say that she was planning something?

Keep in mind that she had a 1/8 or 12.5% chance of quessing correctly which out of the following Rika could have used:


What then are the odds of her actually guessing correctly AND subsequently plot something to throw suspicion off her?


Second:
Bah. You missed the point. I just said that's how people would've defended themselves. I just mentioned town there as an example. Not once did I mention there that those from the scum would have mentioned different things.

Did you actually see what Rika tried so hard to hint at and what I said about her powers when she did, or did you miss it entirely? If Kiradawea had posted but refused to unvote, there would be no questions asked. 12.5% chance each for a non-voting townie to die against a 50% chance for a non-voting scum to die? Who would have more to lose? How would it have looked if she didn't unvote?



I don't see why you don't get it. See above. Posting and not unvoting would have drawn lethal attention - the other four at least have the excuse of not being around.



For one thing, it's not 1/8 because other than 2, 4, and 7, all of the others require a target, which would have been obvious in the power activation post. But that's not the point I'm trying to make at all. I'm saying that you can't take everything at face value - how do you know for sure that Kiradawea didn't know how it worked? You don't. So you can't just assume that's the case.





Well, okay. Obvious, but not in the least helpful. I'll give you that.

That said, are Kefka and Ultros a scum team, or separate entities? I think someone brought this up before, and it seems pretty important now that we have discussion going, since it affects whether we should be looking for collusive scum tells or individual ones.

Separate entities.

Bad luck that this started when I had to take extra shifts on top of my normal ones plus exams/finals, this all ends for almost a week in a few hours (minus the work bit), I feel bad but RL is far more important in this instance.

Plus, it really isn't helpful that when I Have to go for hours on end.. no one really talks! Or when they talk, it's a lot of nonsensical banter that.. actually has very little to do with the game (Looking -right- at you Casilu).



Romertien's power has its uses, and I don't think she should be lynched yet by all means as I would definitely like to see how it works in practice rather than theory, however as it's been mentioned, it seems quite unreliable and anything she says should be taken with a grain of salt to ensure we're not blind sighted later on. The "I'm useful, really" bit is iffy, I agree though I know I've been seen doing the same couple times, more as town than ever in my history of being scum. Haven't been too up to speed with games since I stopped playing them, so it seems like a Newb mistake but I could be very, very wrong!

Haven't been getting too much from Siam to comment, his posts don't exactly leap out to me which is worrisome as it means I have no feel of his playing style at all and I'll have to have another look through after my exam today.

Shiri's the one I've been watching the most, he seems to not be in the same place he was before in the way he acted, but he still seems kind of edging around that tone. Miiight be imagining things, again, another read through is in order!

Don't get why we're going after Furien, from what I can recall off the top of my head because he's safe to lynch? Just a quick recap would be beautiful as I'm like to miss the "why".

Ps. Don't do No Lynch, BAD.

The only reason anyone's going after Furien is because his power is basically near-useless as town but immensely beneficial to scum (avoiding Rika's swordtech, always returning town on Romertien's investigate, receiving beneficial redirects but never harmful ones, etc). There isn't really a non-role reason to be lynching him, he's just the safe lynch as you said. His relative lack of posts makes it really hard to get an actual read on him though, so that isn't helping either! Hint, hint.

Ahhh, I see now okay. Thanks.

I'm studying now, will be checking in on and off.

And the answer to my riddle: a salami.


Any ladies want to taste my salami?

Alrighty, exams are done going to be paying attention full time again!

When were you ever in danger of a ninja lynch in this game ... you weren't as far as I know of. And while I do wish I could point to something more concrete, I can't. It's a feeling. You notice it with Shiri, he don't act like Shiri. You can't put your finger on it, but you notice when Shiri isn't really being Shiri. Same with Dag. You notice when Dag isn't really being Dag ... its nothing you can really put your finger on, but you eventually notice it. I can't put a finger on why you do, but you do.

You want to talk about voting is no indication of participation ... pot kettle black.

Well Silf, I guess I could be like the rest of the sheeple and not bother voting for anyone at all. It is day 1, if I could somehow pull something concrete to offer, I would. Alas I can't and therefore am going with my gut.

You can't really ninja lynch in this game because we already know your role. Still think Furien is our best lynch option.

Wow... lots to catch up on. I can't remember who said what so I'll just post my points in reverse order.

1. Kira was close to a lynch wihtout defense. 5 votes out of 7. Only because I unvoted did she seem so far away (3 out of 7)

2. Personally, I find the only good way to find scum is either 1. A bad role claim. (we have no roleclaims in this game) or 2. They suggest that we do things which are really bad ideas. (trying to get the town to do stupid stuff)

3. If kira did not unvote, she would have been the only person to have been talking in the thread at the time, and not unvoted. Others who were still voting, did so because it was 3:00 am and they were not participating in the conversation.

4. I agree, Romeritan is getting a bit suspicious. He is a good option along with Shiri.

5. I also agree that there is something "off" about Kira. However there are two scum, and people can confirm kira at night. And if we are wrong about her being scum, the loss is too high.

6. I don't understand why people want to rely on the RNG. So far it's lost us Shadow which would have made life more difficult for the scum at night.

7. I think it's very likley that atleast one of the people voting for Furien at this point is scum. It's a terrible idea to be voting for a "safe lynch" at this point, since we have so many posts from people.

8. At this point, I suggest we go for Shiri, because A. His ideas have been bad, and B. He kept switching up scum/town while he was tired.

My ideas have clearly not been bad...the first one was suboptimal but still had a point, second improved vastly in the absence of evidence, and now you people aren't actually following the evidence so what we're actually supposed to do about that is messy.