I can go with the reasoning behind the three Shiri, but why Diamondais in particular? It looks like Siam would be the most awkward, like Kira mentioned, though we can probably keep an eye on that since his powers are day-exclusive.

Disagree that Romertien is dangerous, though. Even if he comes up with a scum result, we can never know if that was because of the 25% chance. Likewise, we can't rely on him to confirm townies either, since there is the inherent 25% chance of a town result. We'll have to work on the assumption that we have no reliable investigator.

Will reserve my vote for the moment, given that we have two completely random-picked scum out of fourteen players with transparent roles, and not all of them have showed up yet.

It's more the day power than the night power that's useful on Celes. Blocking the aqua rake and maybe Umaro would be worth it in some cases, provided it's not called in the thread - the post doesn't say. And maybe Cyan and maybe Edgar (the latter of whom is kind of an unknown quantity atm, we'll have to see how that goes.)

Stealing wouldn't be worth it if I was scum because I'd have to waste two nights to do one action, none of which are really superior to dousing/munching on someone, although you could MAYBE make a case for Cyan). Romertien isn't as worth it because her input actually counts for less than Gau's and Gogo's. Her input is actually not worth much unless Gau or Gogo catch her investigating someone on a night 2 people die; the fact scum aren't - wait a minute, ARE the scum on the same team? The first post doesn't say, way too risky to assume they're not now that I think of it. That might change the valuation slightly. Naturally none of these things decide who the scum actually is, but I think Diamondais would be a safe bet. I'm also willing to go for Siam but I want to find out if the scum are aligned first because that changes the whole set of scum tells we're looking for.

Behind the three Shiri mentioned.

Do not want to sweep up three times the fur.

What are you trying to say in the bolded part? I'll let you explain yourself before I go any further on the subject.

Wouldn't double vote power be dangerous too? It basically gives the scum +50% voteweight.
Copy is dangerous too, as they can pick and choose whatever happens to be most useful in the situation.
Edgar is dangerous because of the potential for 'another tool' that isn't publicly known.

I would laugh heartily if Kira were scum, since that power neutralizes the mass kill by fire.

Just my thoughts for now. I am going to watch what other people say before throwing in my vote (especially since there's no Vote or Die this game )

*smack*

I just noticed some holes in my idea because shadow would actually make a good kefka, and Romertien can't as easily be alignment-confirmed for similar reasons, AND Alianna is immune to Romertien, but I think the general train of thought is steady.

True, but I've learned that people seem to instinctively rely more on an investigator than a tracker/watcher. And the random part of Romertien's skill is exactly what makes it survivable as scum, because Romertien can claim he investigated anyone as scum and if it comes up wrong it can be blamed on the 25% mistake chance.

And remember that the scum would only have to sacrifice one night ability to steal a potential day ability. Sure, I would be a bad choice for a scum to steal from, but Celes runic ability is quite strong. And yes, it can be dangerous during the day because it will prevent me of washing of all the oil.

Kefka can't make people flammable -and- use his titled role-power in the same night. Thus, a Kefka with a day-ability is more dangerous than a Kefka with a night ability.

Of all the powers, I'm pretty much the only one that is in all instances good for town. My point is that, unless scum can use town and scum power at night, daypowers are the most dangerous to have in the hands of the scum.

It says in the first post Kefka can't use his arsonist powers on the same night as his regular powers. I'm assuming (maybe incorrectly, as it's unclear) that Ultros has the same restriction. Thus, powers like doctor, investigator, watcher, tracker are all of highly limited value because while they do still have their functionality and can be used to duck the tracker ("see, I'm not scum, I was investigating Dags that night), by using them Kefka will fall behind on his killing spree and it'll be harder for him to win before being tagged out by the rest of the cast.

Because those roles are less useful to at least one of the scum, I thought a good place to start with a first vote and to spark conversation would be on the roles who have powers that would be more threatening if the scum had them.

@Tervic: doublevote isn't that useful.
Copy isn't that useful because you have to spend a night on it, and then the following night for some powers, instead of killing.
Edgar may or may not be dangerous. We can be more sure that the others I listed are dangerous.

As for Kira being scum, I can copy her aqua rake at some point so unless I get busted fast, that will be a threat.

Out of curiousity....

REQUEST FOR RULES CLARIFICIATION: If Shiri copies AquaRake, uses it, then copies it again, can he use it again, or is that his 'one use for the game'?

That said, this whole reasoning is actually not that useful because if we lynch someone based on them, if they're scum they die anyway and if we're town we may have neutralised an asset. Wasn't thinking carefully enough I guess.

Instead we should be trying to figure out who's the least useful to town and vote them out. I'm gonna start with unvote vote: Furien/Alianna because the main thing that does is make him immune to Setzer investigation and prevent him from Cyan ragekill.

Ok, for some reason I read Shiri as trying to say the opposite.

Kira, you are sounding more and more suspicious. Infact, in this game you being scum is worse than a doctor being scum in a normal small town mafia. Everyone -wants- you to be town.. but if you arn't there's no way for us to know just based on the way you use your powers.

Looking back over the roles I think I only see 3 day powers. Swordtech, aqua rake, and Runic. Is there somethign else I'm missing?

I agree that the runic ability is actually quite useless for the town to have. However, the nightaction of prison is usefull as an investigative tool, as well as protection. So I'm not ready to vote for Dia soley based on the runic ability.

It was in response to Tervic and his list of potentially dangerous scum powers.

That will be his one use for the game.

Also, Shiri is correct in assuming that Ultros retains his night powers, but cannot use them simultaneously as nomming on a tasty morsel.

Nothing that Xavius has written would indicate Ultros has a restriction. He looks like a standard night kill.

Oooh, that's what he meant. Nevermind.

Are you sleepy or something?

VOTE: Kira

Something just seems off with that back and forth a few posts up. Aside from that, I don't think its a good idea to try to eliminate players cause one roll might be worse for the town over another. A good way to waste time, but I fail to see how it is really all that relevant. Its day one, barely past page one, vast majority of people haven't awoken yet ... and yet this role might be bad if its scum.

Day powers, taking the broadest sense of the word, are Runic (Dia), Doublevote (Dag), Swordtech (Rika), Aqua Rake (Kira) and Smash (Siam), with Furien being the only passive.



What are you referring to?