Wait a minute, that isn't even the part where I changed my mind significantly. Those were just amendments to the original part!

It took you longer than two minutes to type that? It's not that long. I don't even think it would take me two minutes to type that.


However, reread the part that Daganev posted, he wanted clarification before he could move on to what?

Though, why would you even want to lynch people based on how useful (or useless) their powers could be to town?



I think just voting randomly would have been better than either of your so-called logical suggestions.

Yes, that was the idea muffinpantsface. You had enough clarity of mind to defend your idea 44 minutes later. You later claimed to be sleepy. Hrm.

I reckon Shiri is experienced enough not to bring attention to himself like that if he was scum. Of course, he may have thought that we'd think that.

Cas changed her avatar. She's not a joker anymore!

Riddle me this:

How many people are willing to blindly follow someone experienced like Dag or Shiri?

Though, really I should be voting for Silferras for liking that idea, but that's another time and place.

Well, let's see...if we're voting for someone who could either be town or scum, in the absence of scum tells (which is why we no longer need this strategy), the best thing to do is vote for the person who minimises risk if we whiff. Given that Mog's powers are useless to town if he's town, and helpful to scum if he's scum (albeit not overly so), he makes a better kill than (let's say) Cyan, who's sorta helpful to town if he's town and very helpful to scum if he's scum, or Terra, who is useless to scum if he's scum and helpful to town if he's town.


You'd be dead wrong! Though, scum tells (i.e you atm) are better than either.

Fair point. The last game confirms this. >_>

This is why I'm voting for Shiri. He keeps switching these things up. He says he's just tired. But to me, thats like the old saying that you are more truthfull when you are drunk. (tired == drunk)

The rest of Shiri's arguments just sound like a giant WIFOM to me. (and should therefore be mostly, though not completely ignored)

Riddle me this:

If there was an absence of tells, why didn't you just wait and random vote knowing full well that discussion would happen later instead of laying forth a long term plan to genocide roles?

To be fair, at first I thought you were saying 1 thing. (forgot what that was now) and thought it was completely stupid. I realized the words could be read to mean the opposite thing, which seemed odd but defendable. I felt it was too early in the conversation to attack you on it, so I decided instead to see how you would explain yourself.

To repeat my earlier comment, there is too much WIFOM in your logic for me to agree with it, but I can see how a tired innocent person could think it's a good idea.

Sorry for the tripple post, reading the thread slowly.

Shiri when you are more awak, reread this post and look how damning to yourself you are being. Based on your own logic here, you should be voting for Cyan. Unless you are trying to "waffle" so that when any of your targets come up town you won't be blamed for it.

I didn't "lay out a long term plan to genocide roles", you're just blatantly making that up. I started this plan to start discussion on an actual useful point of controversy rather than worthless random votes that just end up with me voting the first person to random vote because that doesn't actually achieve anything or help explore people's agendas in any way. Conversely this topic of discussion -does- help highlight people's agendas, as we can see from your posts emerging from it and also maybe Kira's (less sure of this one.) Other than that there's mainly a lot of waffle and Xavius interjecting with rules clarifications.

@Daganev: I wasn't actually as tired for that one, I just screwed up and posted it wrong. It happens a lot to me as you may have noticed, I'm forever correcting myself when I'm town and post something stupid by accident.

What? No. Cyan is a worse kill than Mog, despite my logic from the first post, because both roles are helpful to the scum but Mog's isn't helpful to the town whereas Cyan easily could be. Cyan has some interesting town utility with his "more likely to smash scum unless they're mog" moves. Mog has the ability to look innocent to Romertien regardless of what alignment he actually is, the ability to grab whiffed Relm moves from more useful targets, the ability to not be killed by Cyan's random moves even if he's scum, etc.

Yeah, like I said, Shiri's too experienced to be making dumb mistakes if he was scum.

This. Don't vote me please.

You seem to be setting up some sort of formula where a person gets x points for being useless to town, and y points for being usefull to scum. Based on the verbal point values you gave mog/cyan cyan would come out on top.

Mog = useless + helpfull(but not overly so) (moderate point value)
Cyan = sorta helpfull + really helpfull (high point value)
and for completeness sake
Terra = Helpfull + useless (least point value)

This line of reasoning however, brings to question the validity of the smalltown setup. In theory, each role should come out with an equal point value in such an equation. Otherwise we'd just go down the list of point values and the actual conversation and daytime actions would be nearly meaningless.

You mentioned several roles that you thought were good options to lynch and picked one as a starting point. The next day, if that first one worked, you might have just moved on done the list with your group of mindless people who just vote with the experienced people. And if you had said it was just a random vote, there would have been no discussion. I also have to agree with the points Dag raised.

He also claimed he was tired at that time, would that make him more likely to make a mistake?

If you guys are smart about it, I am potentially a LOT more useful for town than I am for scum if I were scum.