Unknown2010-01-19 08:44:05
The real conflict is subtle. Everyone know Lusternia players only understand lolpk and conflict easily boiled down into A vs B.
Unknown2010-01-19 08:49:03
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Hey look, more admin forced conflict. And it is forced, because no one was going to say no to Scuchidira.
I said no to her!
Unknown2010-01-19 08:59:23
QUOTE (SheiaSilverwing @ Jan 19 2010, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I said no to her!
And look what happened. Ejected from the org you ruled over. No one
's with the Scuchi. :Ineedasmileylickingabowlingball:Lehki2010-01-19 16:38:32
QUOTE (rika @ Jan 19 2010, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why Gaudiguch and Hallifax are opposed in current day politics:
Scuchidira told Gaudiguch to burn Hallifax.
Hey look, more admin forced conflict. And it is forced, because no one was going to say no to Scuchidira.
Scuchidira told Gaudiguch to burn Hallifax.
Hey look, more admin forced conflict. And it is forced, because no one was going to say no to Scuchidira.
Hey, If I recall Kalin made you two offers to call of the war deceleration. =D
Rika2010-01-19 19:50:11
QUOTE (Lehki @ Jan 20 2010, 05:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey, If I recall Kalin made you two offers to call of the war deceleration. =D
Yeah... no.
Munsia2010-01-19 19:54:30
QUOTE (rika @ Jan 19 2010, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why Gaudiguch and Hallifax are opposed in current day politics:
Scuchidira told Gaudiguch to burn Hallifax.
Hey look, more admin forced conflict. And it is forced, because no one was going to say no to Scuchidira.
Scuchidira told Gaudiguch to burn Hallifax.
Hey look, more admin forced conflict. And it is forced, because no one was going to say no to Scuchidira.
Noone wanted to say no to Scuchidira
Shiri2010-01-20 10:45:56
QUOTE (munsia @ Jan 19 2010, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Noone wanted to say no to Scuchidira
No one told you as much, but there have been people trying to get Hallifax and Gaudiguch to team up since forever (which doesn't mean letting them have their way would have been smart, mind.)
Unknown2010-01-22 20:57:39
Jackethan2010-01-25 21:23:40
Actually I draw closer correlations between the philosophy guiding Gaudiguch and Roark Libertas' principles. Roark Libertas' philosophy being a sort of Aristotelian-Nietzsche mix, with the Nietzsche toned down a little. Lots of individualism, arete eudaimonia, and glory of man. I think the 'hedonistic' light the city is cast in is purely an opinion of outsiders, since the overarching simplicity or 'minarchy' of the city's law structure does not prohibit public inebriation as other cities might.
That Aristotelian vein has been the subject of a few of my posts in the city encouraging people to think of their self interest etc.
And as far as why Hallifax and Gaudiguch are opposed: Duh. Hallifax is a communism. It is marked by bureaucracy, authoritarianism, and collectivism. Gaudiguch is in every way the opposite just by ideals alone. If Scuchidira hadn't declared that Hallifax should burn (and even barring the little fact that Hallifax is the one that caused Gaudi to get stuck in time) the cities either would have clashed on their own at a later date, or if not, then been roleplayed incorrectly.
That Aristotelian vein has been the subject of a few of my posts in the city encouraging people to think of their self interest etc.
And as far as why Hallifax and Gaudiguch are opposed: Duh. Hallifax is a communism. It is marked by bureaucracy, authoritarianism, and collectivism. Gaudiguch is in every way the opposite just by ideals alone. If Scuchidira hadn't declared that Hallifax should burn (and even barring the little fact that Hallifax is the one that caused Gaudi to get stuck in time) the cities either would have clashed on their own at a later date, or if not, then been roleplayed incorrectly.
Unknown2010-01-25 23:23:24
QUOTE (Jackethan @ Jan 25 2010, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually I draw closer correlations between the philosophy guiding Gaudiguch and Roark Libertas' principles. Roark Libertas' philosophy being a sort of Aristotelian-Nietzsche mix, with the Nietzsche toned down a little. Lots of individualism, arete eudaimonia, and glory of man. I think the 'hedonistic' light the city is cast in is purely an opinion of outsiders, since the overarching simplicity or 'minarchy' of the city's law structure does not prohibit public inebriation as other cities might.
Except it's not just an opinion of outsiders. Citizens of Gaudiguch, leadership included, consistently present themselves to the outside world as alcoholics, potheads, and partiers, who take little or nothing seriously. Clearly you missed the wet t-shirt contest.
Lendren2010-01-25 23:23:46
QUOTE (Jackethan @ Jan 25 2010, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Roark Libertas' philosophy being a sort of Aristotelian-Nietzsche mix, with the Nietzsche toned down a little.
I think it's pretty widely agreed upon that Roark's philosophy is Ayn-Rand-ian, in much the same way that Nine Inch Nails' music can be said to be influenced by Trent Reznor. I personally don't see a very good match with Nietzsche, for what that's worth.
Kante2010-01-25 23:30:32
QUOTE (Jackethan @ Jan 25 2010, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually I draw closer correlations between the philosophy guiding Gaudiguch and Roark Libertas' principles. Roark Libertas' philosophy being a sort of Aristotelian-Nietzsche mix, with the Nietzsche toned down a little. Lots of individualism, arete eudaimonia, and glory of man. I think the 'hedonistic' light the city is cast in is purely an opinion of outsiders, since the overarching simplicity or 'minarchy' of the city's law structure does not prohibit public inebriation as other cities might.
That Aristotelian vein has been the subject of a few of my posts in the city encouraging people to think of their self interest etc.
And as far as why Hallifax and Gaudiguch are opposed: Duh. Hallifax is a communism. It is marked by bureaucracy, authoritarianism, and collectivism. Gaudiguch is in every way the opposite just by ideals alone. If Scuchidira hadn't declared that Hallifax should burn (and even barring the little fact that Hallifax is the one that caused Gaudi to get stuck in time) the cities either would have clashed on their own at a later date, or if not, then been roleplayed incorrectly.
That Aristotelian vein has been the subject of a few of my posts in the city encouraging people to think of their self interest etc.
And as far as why Hallifax and Gaudiguch are opposed: Duh. Hallifax is a communism. It is marked by bureaucracy, authoritarianism, and collectivism. Gaudiguch is in every way the opposite just by ideals alone. If Scuchidira hadn't declared that Hallifax should burn (and even barring the little fact that Hallifax is the one that caused Gaudi to get stuck in time) the cities either would have clashed on their own at a later date, or if not, then been roleplayed incorrectly.
I like you.
Jackethan2010-01-25 23:36:15
Lendren: While I agree his philosophy is quite heavily influenced by Rand, it's a bit of a stretch to say it has no connection to Nietzsche, considering the final chapter of "Principles" describes how the "Ubermensch" is above morality.
Azoth: I agree most public posts very brazenly cast the city as an inebriated hedonist's haven, however simply doing drugs and drinking is not actually a sign of hedonism, especially in the Lusternian sense of those substances where overuse of them has literally zero long term effect on health aside from dying of alcohol poisoning if you drink too much too quickly.
Hedonism is defined as concern only with short term self pleasure with absolutely no regard for long term happiness or success. That irrational idea is not written anywhere in the city's lore or its administrator's posts.
As far as 'take little or nothing seriously' perhaps Gaudiguch simply doesn't take other basin cities seriously because they all have irrationally controlling and collectivist governments (of varying degrees) compared to Gaudiguch's?
Azoth: I agree most public posts very brazenly cast the city as an inebriated hedonist's haven, however simply doing drugs and drinking is not actually a sign of hedonism, especially in the Lusternian sense of those substances where overuse of them has literally zero long term effect on health aside from dying of alcohol poisoning if you drink too much too quickly.
Hedonism is defined as concern only with short term self pleasure with absolutely no regard for long term happiness or success. That irrational idea is not written anywhere in the city's lore or its administrator's posts.
As far as 'take little or nothing seriously' perhaps Gaudiguch simply doesn't take other basin cities seriously because they all have irrationally controlling and collectivist governments (of varying degrees) compared to Gaudiguch's?
Unknown2010-01-26 00:15:46
QUOTE (Lendren @ Jan 25 2010, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it's pretty widely agreed upon that Roark's philosophy is Ayn-Rand-ian, in much the same way that Nine Inch Nails' music can be said to be influenced by Trent Reznor. I personally don't see a very good match with Nietzsche, for what that's worth.
Roark himself has distanced himself from Ayn Rand once or twice when it's been brought up on the forums (thank god - Ayn Rand is an insufferable *****). He's definitely similar to her, but that's because she is similar to Nietzsche in some regards. Read Thus Spoke Zarathustra and you'll get it... or just read the first quarter of it, like I did, before getting incredibly bored.
In Lusternia, nothing has long-term health consequences. You can't really base in-character opinions on out-of-character definitions. Or something. It's nice to see that there's a hardcore philosopher dude trying to dredge Gaudiguch up from the muck, but I've seen too many Pyromancers newbs and logs of city goings-on to believe the city is anything but a pit of drunken, barely-in-character shenanigans. Good luck fixing that, Jack-whatever.
Lendren2010-01-26 02:57:46
I've read all of Nietzsche's books, and I still don't think there's any more than a superficial resemblance. I think you could make as strong a parallel to Schopenhauer or Wittgenstein or even Hegel, for crying out loud. And the Rand-distancing only keeps it from being a perfect match but doesn't come anywhere near making it not still the most apt comparison by far. But I'm going to cop out and say I don't feel like arguing about it.
Unknown2010-01-26 03:08:33
QUOTE (Lendren @ Jan 26 2010, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've read all of Nietzsche's books, and I still don't think there's any more than a superficial resemblance. I think you could make as strong a parallel to Schopenhauer or Wittgenstein or even Hegel, for crying out loud. And the Rand-distancing only keeps it from being a perfect match but doesn't come anywhere near making it not still the most apt comparison by far. But I'm going to cop out and say I don't feel like arguing about it.
The guy's named Roark with a test character named Galt. Honours Galt and check out that motto.
I'm going with the Rand bit myself.
While I've never been all that much of a Rand fan, I tend to find people who are to be interesting people!
That aside, as for Gaudi, I think the RP of the existing leadership has it well, well in hand. Take a look:
QUOTE (History of the Holy Celestian Empire: The Taint Wars 27)
“Thank goodness the Illuminati are broadminded concerning ‘physical transformations’, isn’t it,†whispered Shellma nastily to Chum.
Shellma apparently didn’t quite realize that dracarni have hearing almost as good as furrikins, for she was shocked when the general rushed towards her and ripped the cowl from her face. Her bulbous eyes bulged as he grabbed her foul, bloated cheeks and turned her head from side to side, as though studying a piece of meat. He then pushed her towards the newly appointed Grand Cipher Dith.
“The Illuminati are experts on physical transformations,†said General Iborchi, and then pointed at Shellma. “ Well, Dith? What’s your analysis of that?â€
“Holy Mother Shellma Natharian appears to be Tainted,†said the Grand Cipher, her voice soft yet clear. “Though she does not appear part of the … group mind … of the other Tainted.â€
Though my body was controlled by the Emperor, my mind was still my own, and hope sprang up within me. This was not the welcome that the Undead Emperor and his Dark Council had expected. Though the reputation of Gaudiguch may have been that of a circus of frivolous and capricious creatures by the rest of the Empire, they obviously were much more intelligent, perceptive and wise than they were usually given credit.
Shellma apparently didn’t quite realize that dracarni have hearing almost as good as furrikins, for she was shocked when the general rushed towards her and ripped the cowl from her face. Her bulbous eyes bulged as he grabbed her foul, bloated cheeks and turned her head from side to side, as though studying a piece of meat. He then pushed her towards the newly appointed Grand Cipher Dith.
“The Illuminati are experts on physical transformations,†said General Iborchi, and then pointed at Shellma. “ Well, Dith? What’s your analysis of that?â€
“Holy Mother Shellma Natharian appears to be Tainted,†said the Grand Cipher, her voice soft yet clear. “Though she does not appear part of the … group mind … of the other Tainted.â€
Though my body was controlled by the Emperor, my mind was still my own, and hope sprang up within me. This was not the welcome that the Undead Emperor and his Dark Council had expected. Though the reputation of Gaudiguch may have been that of a circus of frivolous and capricious creatures by the rest of the Empire, they obviously were much more intelligent, perceptive and wise than they were usually given credit.
So while some characters are exactly what they appear to be, other characters are not. And sometimes, the reverse can be true as well.
Casilu2010-01-26 03:16:18
QUOTE (Rainydays @ Jan 25 2010, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The guy's named Roark with a test character named Galt. Honours Galt and check out that motto.
I'm going with the Rand bit myself.
While I've never been all that much of a Rand fan, I tend to find people who are to be interesting people!
That aside, as for Gaudi, I think the RP of the existing leadership has it well, well in hand. Take a look:
So while some characters are exactly what they appear to be, other characters are not. And sometimes, the reverse can be true as well.
I'm going with the Rand bit myself.
While I've never been all that much of a Rand fan, I tend to find people who are to be interesting people!
That aside, as for Gaudi, I think the RP of the existing leadership has it well, well in hand. Take a look:
So while some characters are exactly what they appear to be, other characters are not. And sometimes, the reverse can be true as well.
honors galt
John Galt (Male Human).
Who is John Galt? >_>
Atellus2010-01-26 04:32:20
QUOTE (Jackethan @ Jan 25 2010, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Scuchidira hadn't declared that Hallifax should burn (and even barring the little fact that Hallifax is the one that caused Gaudi to get stuck in time) the cities either would have clashed on their own at a later date, or if not, then been roleplayed incorrectly.
Did we read the same histories?
Hali gets information that the tainted emperor is in gaudi, they hear nothing from gaudi and assume the worst, so they start a plan to shut down their power nexus. Hali freaks out and unleashes something that they themselves even admit they have no control over and no real clue as to what will happen. This causes all kinds of messed up things to happen with the end result of the time problem for the cities.
I understand how this event is going to be played up in game as a source of conflict, but beyond a "they started it!" argument I don't see how hali can be blamed for the time issue.
Am I missing some key portion of the histories that clearly points to hali being the cause?
Saran2010-01-26 04:56:16
QUOTE (Atellus @ Jan 26 2010, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did we read the same histories?
Hali gets information that the tainted emperor is in gaudi, they hear nothing from gaudi and assume the worst, so they start a plan to shut down their power nexus. Hali freaks out and unleashes something that they themselves even admit they have no control over and no real clue as to what will happen. This causes all kinds of messed up things to happen with the end result of the time problem for the cities.
I understand how this event is going to be played up in game as a source of conflict, but beyond a "they started it!" argument I don't see how hali can be blamed for the time issue.
Am I missing some key portion of the histories that clearly points to hali being the cause?
Hali gets information that the tainted emperor is in gaudi, they hear nothing from gaudi and assume the worst, so they start a plan to shut down their power nexus. Hali freaks out and unleashes something that they themselves even admit they have no control over and no real clue as to what will happen. This causes all kinds of messed up things to happen with the end result of the time problem for the cities.
I understand how this event is going to be played up in game as a source of conflict, but beyond a "they started it!" argument I don't see how hali can be blamed for the time issue.
Am I missing some key portion of the histories that clearly points to hali being the cause?
Hallifax were on a recon mission and Gaudi declared war...
Unknown2010-01-26 05:02:14
QUOTE (Rainydays @ Jan 25 2010, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While I've never been all that much of a Rand fan, I tend to find people who are to be interesting people!
If by 'interesting' you mean callous and bigoted...
