I'll respond by paraphrasing Ulysses Everett McGill.


Azoth, the unpleasant rancour reflected in that remark I don't intend to dignify with comment. But I would like to address your general attitude of hopeless negativism. Consider the lilies of the goddamn field or... hell! Take at look at Aliod here as your paradigm of hope.

But... I thought he got turned into a toad.

"Hali freaks out and unleashes something that they themselves even admit they have no control over and no real clue as to what will happen."

Really? You think Hali is blameless after writing that sentence?

And yes, I do believe the conflict is down to a "Who started it?" considering that the person who initiates force is usually the one to blame for its results. Hallifax's actions are a result of their philosophical obsession with control.

Saran: Generally a recon mission is performed in enemy territory, particularly when you're trespassing on land you don't own.

Why the forum RP? It's like we have this strange compulsion to prove that an admin-written history says that the other org is nasty and should be shunned. The way it's written, both orgs were at fault, in ways which fit their nature. This is good. This is the way it should be.

He meant Gaudiguch.

Also, you're forum RPing way too much lol.

Why would characters who were never alive and not connected to the cities when that old conflict happen give a rats ass about it?

Because the admins playing Scuchidira and Cririk told us too.


Also there is one other reason that I know for the conflict. Both the lucidians and the dracnari claim that Tzaraziko was raised from one of their cities and came from one of their races. It's what caused the racial tention between the two in the first place.

Yeah, oops!

I am just saying that it seems clear who it was that lost the cities in time. I make no claims on how that should play out in game, just that saying Hali caused the time bubbles is a bit weird.

Hallifax isn't even remotely communist... unless you mean the bastardized brand of quote-unquote communism which prevailed in the Soviet Union, in which case you'd be closer to the truth. While roaming some political articles on Wikipedia I came across a classification that I think fits Hallifax perfectly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucratic_collectivism

On the topic of Hallifax and Gaudiguch, have you been prompted by the Administration to make a choice for the next guild yet?

We probably don't GET A choice

I'm pretty sure Estarra had said she was leaving the choice up to you (between Guardian and Warrior).

From announce 1452:

Incorrect, it was stated directly opposite: upon reaching 200,000, the city picks what to get next and gives a payment of 100,000 power.

I am glad someone finally said this.

Recon is an attempt to gather intel on an enemy, in that situation it appears they believed that Gaudiguch could have been affected by the taint and not so much that they were an enemy.

They wanted to make sure Gaudi weren't about to unleash another taint with them housing tainted 'n' all.

As to ownership if they were all part of the holy celestine empire why would there be an issue?

...Rod, he just quoted the article Estarra made on the subject. Is Estarra wrong?

No, Rodngar just got ninja'd by Eventru.

...Kial, the quote in question is one post above. Is Rod wrong?

That is not communisim.
But they claim they are communist so why do you say they are not communist?
Do they have a perfect society?
No of course not but..
Then it is not communist.
But the ideals they set up...
Again, is it perfect, do all live in plenty wanting for nothing and loving each other with all needs taken care of with no selfishness? No? Then it is NOT communism!


Sorry I could not resist I know the point you are trying to make, I just find the whole "that's not really X" where X is either capitalism or communism to be hilarious.

I was hoping to see more of a 1984 vibe in Hali but from walking around and talking with the npcs it just seems like a research institute build around an art gallery (without much art). I am looking forward to seeing things fleshed out by the players. I think there could be some cool tension with the artists and the bureaucracy.

Regarding released guilds:

Whatever we release, I'm hoping the gap between the second and third isn't very big. I know we like to spread the stuff out, but the cities still feel a little "in-limbo" like.


Regarding the historical conflict:

I think the idea is to make it so it's not cut and dry who's at fault. Perception wise, Evil Landantine gathers an army around Gaudi. Halli doesn't know what's up, freaks out, decides to drain the nexus of another org who they're never on good terms anyway. Halli shows up with a large military force on the plane of Fire, Gaudi freaks out, Halli launches the attack on the flame, Gaudi responds to attack on their nexus, and boom.

Both sides were working off of bad information. You can't blame Hallifax (who at that point was down several members of their leadership) for being nervous about the Taint. You can't blame Gaudiguch for defending their freaking nexus from being drained out by an org that's ambivalent towards them during the best of times.

If you want to cut the causality cord selectively, you can say things like, "It's Gaudi's fault for using an untested defense".

But that's as silly as saying "the defendent is guilty of murder because she shot the man, who was pointing a gun at her immediately after shooting another person".

The point of the thing is the ambiguity of it.