We're getting ready for the Justice Ascension Challenge (i.e., debating) and we're considering what to allow and what not to allow. Basically, we want to restrict those abilities that give a huge advantage. So far, we are thinking to ban Trueheal, Refresh and Divinefire.

Can anyone think of anything else that is on par with those skills that should likewise be banned?

I don't think it would be bad to just straight up ban everything that's not a general skill or trade skill. That guarantees a level playing field. Fairness is important to the concept of justice!

Personally, I think it should be limited to influence+debating. No mounts, no shrine powers, no Night Drink, no Roulade, no GoldenHorn, nada. Just two men with words in a room. Bromides, sparkleberry, healscroll.

I pretty much agree with an either all or nothing approach. Don't forget illithoids buffing themselves up too.

Goldenhorn is an enchant like heal scroll and would be allowed if heal scroll is.

Rest we can remove

P.S. Illithoid can get high ego, but cant debate do damage for beans (and are slow since believe charisma decides speed you can debate).

I understand why you'd want that but we'd need a definitive list of everything to ban or else people will say "but you didn't say this". Maybe that's the way to go but we'd have to have a clear action on how to oversee it.

Will make a list then.. by skill name gimme a few.

I don't get the no mounts thing. It's a general skill that everyone has access to.

I agree with this. It's random and arbitrary to ban certain guild skills that would help in debates (trueheal) but not others (laetitia, etc). Also, some skills that would potentially be helpful are aggressive actions (eg. aquamancer twirl staff). Better to just ban all guild skills imo to avoid that feeling of arbitrary banning. Although I agree that divinefire and refresh me should be banned as well.

Just say you are only allowed the following:
Skills from Influence (ie debate)
Skills from Dramatics (ie performance, attitudes and fasttalking)
Bromides
Sparkleberries
Healing scroll
Focus enchantment

Everything else is banned.

Heh, I don't think people are just talking skills, but items, shrine powers, etc.

Agree with Xavius and Rika.

Ban all abilities, mounts, shrine powers and artifacts... allow illdrain (they've got awful charisma anyway), dramatics and influencing, as well as natural titan/demigod perks of course, domoth blessings, and karma blessings (because banning those would be too difficult).

Beast healing in Beastmastery
Laetitia in rituals
Roulade in music
Trueheal in Sacraments
Anguti in Harmony
The regen from Harmony
Presence in Ascendence
Palebeauty in Wildaranne
NatureRhythm in Wildaranne
Ironwill in Psionics


Nothin that increases sip speed or strength (Philosophers Stone is your call)
There is a skill in harmony and I believe Starhymn to speed up sips.

P.S. Disable the effect of Great Houses on influence so they dont debate better for having a last name.

I'm really against making a list of what is banned. Someone will find that one skill that was missed and then somehow get far in the competition. You can't disqualify them for using it, but everyone else will complain about it. Much less messy saying what you can use and everything else is banned.

I really agree to allow only the following:

Performance
Influence
Enchants
Sparkleberry
Sipping

Note that focus and heal scroll are enchants and are allowed under this. Golden horn is optional

Music boxes? Exalt aura?

No the first one is aggressive, dont think those are allowed in the room (or should be aggro).

Exalt aura is not one of the above listed allowed things, and is an avatar perk. So again, no

If it is something anyone can get then it should be allowed(enchants general skills, etc...) it's not anyone elses fault that they were unprepared.

Beast mastery is debatable for this though, if you've trained beast mastery then technically you could just borrow someone elses beast for the competition that is trained with the relevant skills if you do not have one already but of course it requires the training which is a negative