Idea: Revisit Report 250

Reason: The skills in stealth for rooftops are rarely used, allowing them to work in trees makes more sense for commune monks, and the fact stealth neither learns to climb trees nor can be used in trees prevents anyone from using noose and shove as you will not generally be in a place they can be used.

Putting a short lag time on using PORTALS, between the command going through and the newbie being taken to the portal room. Only needs to be around 2 secs, and I know the requirement to register was put in by Iosai, but you still get the annoying little griefernewb alt who portals to nexuses, uses a blowgun and portals out again before we can react.

If not, how about losing your ability to use the portals if you renounce the Grace of Innocence? Maybe put a disclaimer and a requirement to AGREE as well when you do the initial renouncing command (so it's a 2 step action) if you wish to tread this dangerous path.

Yeah, losing PORTALS if you reject would help, and so would a decent lag time before it going through.

We have just this moment implemented something that should stop the recent spate of problem novices, so I think we're going to wait and see before we take any further action. If it does continue to happen, though, please bug or issue as appropriate. Thanks! :)

It would be cool if bards and scholars would have some kind of more lasting effect on culture than just increasing the points for a month. Can the totals for scholars and bards be put together for the year, and then be a weighted factor in what is the cultural center of the basin?

Adding points for a month of culture does effect who is the cultural center iirc.

Falcon:

It would be cool if bards and scholars would have some kind of more lasting effect on culture than just increasing the points for a month. Can the totals for scholars and bards be put together for the year, and then be a weighted factor in what is the cultural center of the basin?

Why?

They're a transitory thing; they stick around for a month, then they're willing to go check out another org. They have an impact for the entire month that they are there, and can swing cultural center in that window.

They do? I thought it was just some additional culture points during the month, and from there additional power. So then, if at Roarkian, a city or commune has the most bards and scholars and that makes them weigh more than lets say Glomdoring who is at 3749 points, would the cultural center go to said city or commune? Even if they have less points usually without the bards and scholars?

Have you had a look at CULTURE? Bards and scholars are even listed there...

Falcon:

They do? I thought it was just some additional culture points during the month, and from there additional power.

No, they just directly give power. They have an entry on POWERLOG, something like "3 power added by wandering scholars".

Falcon:

They do? I thought it was just some additional culture points during the month, and from there additional power. So then, if at Roarkian, a city or commune has the most bards and scholars and that makes them weigh more than lets say Glomdoring who is at 3749 points, would the cultural center go to said city or commune? Even if they have less points usually without the bards and scholars?

Enyalida:


No, they just directly give power. They have an entry on POWERLOG, something like "3 power added by wandering scholars".

Okay, there's some confusing information here.

First: They give 1 point in the powerlog summary. We asked for this ages back so that we'd have a way (in the logs) to identify who was bringing bards and scholars in to the organization; they give 1 power directly when they are brought in, and 1 culture point.

Second: Cultural Center is based upon the summary of everything listed in CULTURE (excepting the cultural center bonus, obviously). If, say, Glomdoring is at 2835 culture and has the culture center, that means their actual culture level is 1835. Magnagora would need to get to 1836 in order to take cultural center and get the 1000 power bonus. If Magnagora was at, say, 1715 culture they would need to get 126 points worth of bards and scholars above and beyond whatever Glomdoring gets in the same time frame in order to usurp that position.

It happens pretty regularly when the numbers are closer. I remember spending a few hours capturing bards and scholars in order to prevent Phoebus from taking Cultural Center from Glomdoring in favour of Hallifax, for example.

Then, at the end of the month, every organization gets their current CULTURE total in power (including the CC bonus).

It's rarely close enough anymore for bards and scholars to tip the balance, but that's more a consequence of the oddities of how the library system works than anything else (and some really good suggestions for fixing that have been proposed, voted up, and then ignored). Plus the domoth effects on bards and scholars, while pretty trivial on their own, make the chance of using bards and scholars to "come from behind" in culture center even less likely to happen.

Right now culture center is chosen at midnight on the 1st of each month. It might be interesting to make it so bard and scholar points accumulate over a longer period. It'd be less dynamic, sure, but that horse left the barn a long time ago and rarely visits for any length of time. But it might also make it feasible for someone to come from farther behind and thus make it a race a little bit more often.

Lendren:

It's rarely close enough anymore for bards and scholars to tip the balance, but that's more a consequence of the oddities of how the library system works than anything else (and some really good suggestions for fixing that have been proposed, voted up, and then ignored). Plus the domoth effects on bards and scholars, while pretty trivial on their own, make the chance of using bards and scholars to "come from behind" in culture center even less likely to happen.

Right now culture center is chosen at midnight on the 1st of each month. It might be interesting to make it so bard and scholar points accumulate over a longer period. It'd be less dynamic, sure, but that horse left the barn a long time ago and rarely visits for any length of time. But it might also make it feasible for someone to come from farther behind and thus make it a race a little bit more often.

I want to tease you and be like, "So what you're saying is, you no longer have a problem with tbc," but that would be mean, so please understand that I am emphatically not doing that.

Bards and scholars can have a big impact. Especially since there are little quests to magnify their weight even further. If you've got the knowledge crown, you can make every scholar worth 6p, counted twice -- that's most assuredly worth doing, and can make a huge difference in the culture ratings.

Cultural centre is tabulated instantly and will shift throughout the game month, as far as I know. It's when the power is credited that is done at midnight. If you're cultural centre at midnight, you get the power.

Don't forget that bards/scholars can get weight increased via questing too, which also stacks with domoths. When Mag still had the largest library, this was very useful for occasionally stealing centre from them.

Talan:

I want to tease you and be like, "So what you're saying is, you no longer have a problem with tbc," but that would be mean, so please understand that I am emphatically not doing that.

The problem with TBC never had anything to do with Culture Center, never ever. Not even a little. Totally not relevant in the slightest. But it doesn't matter; it's clear that TBC goes onto the increasingly long list of Mistakes The Admin Will Never Fix Because Then They'd Have To Admit They Were Mistakesâ„¢.

Yes, Culture Center shifts instantly -- but has no real effect at all until the end of the month when power is earned, so that's the only time it matters. Before that, basically, it's just a subtotaling effect on a report.

I don't know if it's been suggested before, but it would be awesome if there there was a warning shortly before the song you're playing faded. It gets kinda bothersome checking repeatedly while I'm hunting to make sure I don't have to start over again.

Naryisa:

I don't know if it's been suggested before, but it would be awesome if there there was a warning shortly before the song you're playing faded. It gets kinda bothersome checking repeatedly while I'm hunting to make sure I don't have to start over again.

A number of people have made simple scripts to track song time. They might give you theirs if you provide your client/system, or even show you how to make your own.

(I'm not saying I'm against an in-game warning system, though. Things like Healing auras, Hexes, demesne effects...)

^Without further performance\\, the song will end in (\\d+) seconds\\.$

songTimer = tempTimer((matches - 20), ])

I think that Dreamweavers in their dreambody form should be able to see Manifestations of the Dreaming in the room. Kinda just makes sense, and would be neat.

Xiel:

I think that Dreamweavers in their dreambody form should be able to see Manifestations of the Dreaming in the room. Kinda just makes sense, and would be neat.

We should be able to burst them too!