Zallafar2010-01-24 05:34:36
From the outside, it looks to me like Glom organizes it's actions really well. It's very impressive. I give them credit for strong leadership and organization.
Gregori2010-01-24 05:34:38
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jan 23 2010, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Though all I'll say: Various mechanics like the map, domoths, and etc., aren't really as important as the people willing to lead and motivate an org to do better. Of course the former helps, but I don't think anyone is disputing that the latter's effect is far, far greater.
So what you are saying is... Xenthos sucked balls as a leader for 5 years and the only reason Glomdoring got out of the dumps was because you and Xiel moved there. Yet, now he acts like he has an opinion worth noting due to the awesome ability of Glomdoring, based on something that he was never able to achieve or promote. Gotcha
Xenthos2010-01-24 05:38:19
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jan 24 2010, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what you are saying is... Xenthos sucked balls as a leader for 5 years and the only reason Glomdoring got out of the dumps was because you and Xiel moved there. Yet, now he acts like he has an opinion worth noting due to the awesome ability of Glomdoring, based on something that he was never able to achieve or promote. Gotcha
Or like Gregori in Serenwilde... or whatever. I don't have the same kind of military / planning bent. Neither do you. We've got other focuses, as does most of the game (in general) actually. Which is why a few certain people can have such an impact.
Edit: That doesn't mean that we can't see it for what it is, though, and you're definitely smart enough to recognize that.
Shaddus2010-01-24 05:38:35
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jan 24 2010, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what you are saying is... Xenthos sucked balls as a leader for 5 years and the only reason Glomdoring got out of the dumps was because you and Xiel moved there. Yet, now he acts like he has an opinion worth noting due to the awesome ability of Glomdoring, based on something that he was never able to achieve or promote. Gotcha
No, he's Forrest Gump to Talan's Jenny. They're like peas and carrots.
In a totally non-insulting way, of course. I love me some Forrest Gump.
Gregori2010-01-24 05:40:29
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jan 23 2010, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or like Gregori in Serenwilde... or whatever. I don't have the same kind of military / planning bent. Neither do you. We've got other focuses, as does most of the game (in general) actually. Which is why a few certain people can have such an impact.
Sorry, but Serenwilde was strong before Shuyin was ever a player and while Gregori was in leadership. In fact we owned all the villages back then, too. You are correct though, a few certain players can have an impact, not always positive.
Xenthos2010-01-24 05:43:10
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jan 24 2010, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, but Serenwilde was strong before Shuyin was ever a player and while Gregori was in leadership. In fact we owned all the villages back then, too. You are correct though, a few certain players can have an impact. not always positive.
Serenwilde was less "strong" and more "reliant on Tuek and Narsrim," really. When they disappeared Seren lost a lot of ground. Recovered with the income of a few other players, and lost it again.
And you're completely correct, the whole Seren thing recently can be blamed on a few certain individuals intentionally compounding internal problems.
Unknown2010-01-24 05:46:48
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jan 24 2010, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I actually don't think that Glomdoring "earned these coat-tails to ride on." The main thing that changed was leadership, which led to things like preparedness and what I am talking about. However, doing this does not require any specific person, but people with a certain attitude.
I also do think that you actually do have some valid things to point at as causing disparities. I just do not feel that the map is one of them, because there are very simple counters that can be done in this specific case (there's just... not much interest in doing 'em).
I also do think that you actually do have some valid things to point at as causing disparities. I just do not feel that the map is one of them, because there are very simple counters that can be done in this specific case (there's just... not much interest in doing 'em).
Yeah, I just said that as a rebuttal of the "bitter seren" commentary. There wasn't any real umph behind it, other than to show a point.
Gregori2010-01-24 05:53:57
Also anyone trying to claim the map doesn't help is lieing to themselves or lieing to everyone else. Getting to the village a minute or two minutes faster than anyone else means a huge amount of denizens can be influenced. Even if you only have 1 or 2 people use the map as long as they can influence that means you have a big headstart.
In 1 minute as Gregori I could one shot almost all the unnamed denizens in a revolt, at a 3 second recovery time between denizens, that's a lot of them influenced before any sort of resistance shows up. Not to mention that the first couple people getting there are 10 second teleport targets for more people coming en masse. I know for a fact in Serenwilde people were through that map and flooding a village instantly. Hence Serenwilde winning in under 10 minutes.
Does preparation help? Yes, but so does having fast access to a village. Hence paintings, spores, and other means to quickly get there.
Edit:: Just cause CR came up. I personally wish they would find a different way to tie in village influence skills than city rank. City rank means nothing. If you want to do well in the game you need villages. If you need villages you need everyone you can get at CR6. If you need everyone at CR6 then it is a meaningless thing. It's hard to RP a social caste in an org when everyone is being handed CR6 for any remotely valid reason so you can compete in revolts.
In 1 minute as Gregori I could one shot almost all the unnamed denizens in a revolt, at a 3 second recovery time between denizens, that's a lot of them influenced before any sort of resistance shows up. Not to mention that the first couple people getting there are 10 second teleport targets for more people coming en masse. I know for a fact in Serenwilde people were through that map and flooding a village instantly. Hence Serenwilde winning in under 10 minutes.
Does preparation help? Yes, but so does having fast access to a village. Hence paintings, spores, and other means to quickly get there.
Edit:: Just cause CR came up. I personally wish they would find a different way to tie in village influence skills than city rank. City rank means nothing. If you want to do well in the game you need villages. If you need villages you need everyone you can get at CR6. If you need everyone at CR6 then it is a meaningless thing. It's hard to RP a social caste in an org when everyone is being handed CR6 for any remotely valid reason so you can compete in revolts.
Rika2010-01-24 06:11:39
No on cried about this when Seren was on top.
Unknown2010-01-24 06:17:11
As someone who has both been a part of Glomdoring and faced its wrath, I can say that their dominance lies just as much in the 15-20 semi-hardcore players as the 2-3 hardcore players that coordinate them. An org needs either a tiny core of superpowered combatants. or a large and active zerg that understands combat even if it lacks the lessons, artifacts, or time investment to be top-tier. Glomdoring has both, and they work together to cause
Even if Glom didn't have the map from the death domoth, it's still closer to most villages than any other org. The entrance to Paavik is roughly six steps away from the mouth of the Glom swamps, with Shanthmark on the other side of the moors. Southgard and Stewartsville are right around there too. Serenwilde's far removed except for Rockrolm, Celest has Delport, Magnagora has Acknor and is about as close to Estelbar as Seren is and as close to Angkrag as Glomdoring is. Hopefully Gaudiguch will snag Dairuchi one of these days, and hopefully Hallifax will get its own 'easy' village.
Even if Glom didn't have the map from the death domoth, it's still closer to most villages than any other org. The entrance to Paavik is roughly six steps away from the mouth of the Glom swamps, with Shanthmark on the other side of the moors. Southgard and Stewartsville are right around there too. Serenwilde's far removed except for Rockrolm, Celest has Delport, Magnagora has Acknor and is about as close to Estelbar as Seren is and as close to Angkrag as Glomdoring is. Hopefully Gaudiguch will snag Dairuchi one of these days, and hopefully Hallifax will get its own 'easy' village.
Eventru2010-01-24 06:20:20
The past page or two of the thread should be self-evident as to why it's locked.