I got ninjad by the admins already doing it... That's what I call service!

Welcome to two days ago.

I'm tired, I didn't read the announce, dun be mean :<

No, it's a case of the big getting bigger still. Not to mention that a couple of the TA's "raised" by Serenwilde now live in Glomdoring.

(Psst, Celest, not Serenwilde)

Also, Seren has tons of Ascendants too. Poke them to do something now that they don't have to compete against Glomdoring all the time.

Well, that can work both ways. The TAs now living in Glomdoring can go live somewhere else.

Sure, just remove the power rewards for domoths, and then give every org that's not glom a free ascendant to, in the remotest of senses, level the playing field.

Otherwise we just do what people have complained about since inception. Eternally reinforcing one super-org.

Or, depending on who is trying to claim, you can just sit back and laugh while they try to take crown at stage 3 and fail, since that would also drop the entire domoth as well.

I think some will be in for a rude awakening.

I think there comes a time when an org has to accept a certain degree of responsibility for their fate. Rarely a day goes by when there isn't Narynth or someone piping on the commune aether about gathering scholars and pages, or I don't hear someone over the commune aether or posting about some work for the library or harping on debating, influencing during revolts, etc.

Domoths, while certainly a good source of power, are not the be all end all of it. Virtually any org can take advantage of the TBC (sorry, when Serenwilde and Celest have both used Magnagora for their own ends, you lose the right to complain about the quest) if they want to, and don't even need to if they simply actively encourage their people to go get bards/scholars. There is also aetherhunting and funneling the power into the nexus, and the list goes on.

While I agree that the current change to domoths seems interesting and I look forward to seeing what happens it's also somewhat irritating that successful orgs are curtailed in such ways, especially given the fact that eventually, things will turn around for any org.

Oh please.

Domoths are quite significant, and the current system merely reinforces an org that has two TAs, and in all likelyhood will have a third. That's... all the active TAs. The domoth system has never been truly competetive, the structure of it works against this (though Thoros's mob made a good try of it). This sort of systemic faliure is what should be addressed, and the playing field should be a little more level than it is.

There's no univeral constant that demands org power will wax and wane, apart from, if the game goes on long enough, players will die of old age. I may not be a good basher, but I am a prodigous worker, and there are plenty more like me in every org, and always have been (except maybe Celest. I have no idea there.). Bards, scholars, essence, all that is fine and good, but Glom had all that when they were in the dumps too. Because simple hard work at gathering power and such does not equate to org success.

Glom's star didn't rise until the people that made "celenwilde" strong jumped over. Everyone else that was already there may have been working hard before, but it didn't yield much of anything for their efforts. It's a few very capable individuals that always make all the difference in Lusternia, and while it would be wrong to try and force them to spread the wealth, we shouldn't be operating with a system that reinforces a skewed macro level balancing act.

Not really, Serenwilde was the superorg before glomdoring and they lost it because Shuyin and Xiel moved. The obvious solution to remove Glomdoring from the top is obviously to lure Shuyin and Xiel to another org.

To be fair,

Even if Glom keeps 5 of the 9 domoths, which is likely, our power intake per weave will be reduced only by 2k per weave, so instead of the 15k average, we'll be getting 13k and it will take us all of 10-12 days more to raise the 1mil. These are also dependent on villages and other things, but 2000 per weave less isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things which I think Akui is looking at

That's a fair point.

I guess what would be another good thing to look at is power intake in general, and how to make it more equivalent. Villages are another sore point, what with an 18 cha base "specialized" race, and a perpetual grip on the catacombs map.

But ideally, it would probably be better for all if one org wasn't pooping out VAs while all others... almost never do.

To add to that:


There is no Wild Nodes event at this time, however previous results are:
Nation Scores:
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Serenwilde: 0
Glomdoring: 3082
Celest: 0
Magnagora: 0
Gaudiguch: 0
Hallifax: 0
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Hey, lookie there. If you manage to completely box Glom out of wildnodes, which takes a few hours on a given Sunday, you'd take more out of its power income than 4/9 domoths. This would be passive, for ~2 weeks.

So when Glom was at the bottom, threads like this became international bash Glom day, and now that they're at the top, same story. lol.

I ignored this earlier, but I think this requires looking over again.

There is no base 18 cha race. The highest is shadowsinger, which is 17. Minor beauty domoth blessing doesn't count, since that has been on Trill for forever, long before Hallifax came along.

What I notice as more of an issue with other orgs is the lack of CR6 players.

CR6 numbers make a -huge- difference. The number of influences it took for me to get just a furrikin farmer was reduced by 1/3 (8 hits as opposed to 12) when I had all three village influence attacks as opposed to two. This being as a race with a base cha of 13.

I'd played on a few revolts with Mag during Glom's times of total village domination where plenty of people were willing to go, get butchered, and lose, and when the revolt ended and Glom won... no one in Mag got a single city favour. Not one. Out of about 15 people, two were CR6, two were at CR4, and everyone else was below that. One of those CR6's even threw in the towel half way through! You have no hope with a force like that, and if you are tight-fisted with favours, you can't be surprised when you lose revolts.

The map, though, is admittedly nice, but that benefit is only really advantageous if Glom is aware enough to notice when the revolt goes up (sometimes it doesn't) and because favours are given out so regularly that a large number of the player base has fairly high commune rank. Can't zerg a village if you can't influence fast enough.

My bad, I got charisma mixed up with dexterity regarding faelings.


However, maybe the map shouldn't work during revolts. Especially since it's so fixed to whatever org shuyin happens to be in, practically speaking. That ease of movement is a pretty big deal sometimes- even if Glom doesn't notice.


Edit- case in point.

Dairuchi revolts. It is right outside gaudi. Not that gaudi has been able to favor enough people to matter yet, but, just to try it, I get there, and Viynain and Crek were already in there. When every village is a room away from your nexus, it's a meaningful edge.

I think the transportation benefits provided by the map alone put it on par with other domoth benefits. It probably shouldn't be active during revolts.

I don't care about debating the map, but so long as we're talking revolts and rank:

Once upon a time, before domoths, Seren had a strong hold on most of the villages in the game. Like Glom, at that time, they had a similarly large clot of CR6 rank people.

Some people seem to believe that CR shouldn't be given out so readily, but really, why shouldn't it? What does CR confer, besides making it a little harder for you to get kicked out, letting you change titles, and making you significantly more useful in a revolt?

It's become apparent, especially in Celest, that CR won't prevent you from getting kicked if people want to. You do not gain respect or clot with CR. Those come with being a respectable player, who works for the benefit of their org, which CR simply happens to come with most of the time. People don't end up in unassailable positions because of their CR, they do because they are too useful, or too many people like them, or there simply isn't a good enough reason.

Titles? I guess you could argue that the fewer people who have titling privileges there are in your org, the less likely there are to be a lot of stupid titles. But that is no guarantee, and ultimately a rather weak argument.

That leaves village revolt influence attacks.

You can blame a cha gap, but when all the lesser cha people have only one or two influence attacks and all the high cha people have all three, what else can you expect but difficulty?

You appear to have completely forgotten when Seren was "pooping out VAs." It's not like you don't have a horde of them... they just don't do anything, heh.

And this is why you shouldn't ascend non-combatants.