All the Seren VAs are capable of at least not squishing (me ) but I don't see them doing anything right now. Only one I see in action often is Lehki, but he's only one person so he doesn't really stand a chance.

Heh, yeah, blaming the map for glom doing well in revolts is a bit disingenuous. Rag saying it's the number of people who are CR6 is far closer, I feel.

It still seems a bit much to be one room away from any village (during a revolt only), just because of the time sensitive nature of it. It won't matter for Gaudi or Halli for some time, since we've just started to be able to hand out favors at all, but the great movement utility alone justifies the domoth without tilting revolts at all.

How about beauty blessing affecting influencing? And the +cha? War blessing giving more damage?

Seriously, a lot of the Domoths have effects. Seren's problem is, however, less Domoths and more... uh... Serenwilde in general at this point. Mainly that everyone ran off to play alts in the new cities.

Things that aren't the same, aren't the same thing.

Except that they all provide a nice big boost in village influencing. Along with their very nice bonuses outside of revolts... which, in many cases, is even better than utility.

They pale in comparison to being able to immediately flood into any village. The CR thing is the most significant, certainly, but being able to field more influencers much faster than any other org, especially when getting to key denizens is a game of seconds, isn't an edge any org should have during revolts.

... tarot to a village entrance? Pyramid puzzles (people know which villages are next because they go on a static rotation)? Spores? Having 50 spores to a village at your nexus is just as plausible.

What? :/

You're very good at pointing out technical possibilities with no grounding in practical reality. We only need look at what actually happens and has happened in revolts, even moreso when they were even more time sensitive than they are now, to know how impractical much of that winds up as.

What's the harm in levelling the playing field then? Certainly, Glomdoring could put forth the effort to do those very things, if they were so readily comparable as alternatives?

The reality is, the map provides, during revolts, a skewing element that doesn't need to exist.

How is there no grounding in practical reality? We use our pyramids (for example) all the time. Nearly every single revolt I see people hopping there via tarot (and then people teleporting). Keep in mind that the Death Map, when used, poofs away for a while before it resets, so... a person with tarot and en-masse teleport is just as fast, if not faster. Both of these are used nowadays. And, further, Dairuchi is right outside a cubix exit points, so... yeah. Everyone should have gotten there quickly, heh.

We don't need spores as-is, and Serenwilde is too lazy / apathetic / whatever to prep them, but Glom definitely does prepare villages ahead of time. Demesnes, purpling them, etc. Very few others even bother to try prepping, for whatever reason.

The map provides far, far less skew than many of the other Domoth blessings. Frankly, it seems more like it's an easy excuse.

None of which actually happens, because the reality of the situation is, when seren had the map, it flooded the villages first by a strong margin. When glom got it, glom flooded the villages first, by a strong margin. Practical experience tells us exactly what happens, regardless of what "possibly" could.

An alternative would be to give a five minute warning before the result started to deny the initial avantage of being able to swamp a village.

And, having had the map for some time, I can safely say it was one of my more appreciated domoths overall.

Having had the map and the Chaos Crown for some time, I can safely say that I prefer the Chaos crown, heh. If your org isn't taking advantage of teleporting (because, while we may have the map, I guarantee you that most of the people who show up there are still going "ct Anyone in the village?" "ct Who can I teleport to?" and teleporting, just like in every other org).

And seriously, there are prep things you could do if you really wanted to, just like we're putting in prep-time in advance. Give it a try!

The fact that it isn't happening is a pretty big sign of the apathy going on in certain orgs.

Oh please, really?

I don't seem to recall Glomdoring being an image of hard work and prep until two individuals org hopped. You of all people should know what being on the wrong side of the game's Walmart is like.

But, given what has happened, and tends to happen, as a practical measure, given who had the map and the status of villages during that time?

Doesn't seem like a bad idea at all to level the playing field.

As for references to Seren, you do realize I haven't been in Serenwilde for (ed. Forgot how long it has been, but approx. a month), yes? I took my not-so-alt and tried out a new city. Which, naturally, hasn't even had the mechanical possiblity of favoring up enough people to participate meaningfully.

Meh, the Map isn't that big a deal for revolts.

To the latter first: You still have the same bitter-Serenwilder-attitude that you learned in Seren and haven't shed yet, despite leaving. So, that is what I'm talking to.

To the first: The "playing field" for getting to a village is level, if you put in prep-work. If you don't, then of course it's not, but such is how the game works. It always favours the prepared, period. Whether that's the combatant who puts up their demesne before the village revolts, an influencer who gets all their buffs before going out to debate in a village, or the person who has set a pyramid point / made a tarot card / done the hour-long grind for the map.

I will fully admit that there are other things which make it more difficult to compete, but the map is not one of those things. The Beauty domoth most definitely is, and is probably one of the bigger things. There is no way to level off this or make its effect non-existant.

I am curious if Glom is so awesome without these advantages how come they scraped the bottom of the barrel for 5 years prior to Shuyin and Xiel moving there?

Obviously they should have excelled all that time because they didn't have any of the advantages being spouted now as "not giving much impact"

Oh man leave me out of this

Though all I'll say: Various mechanics like the map, domoths, and etc., aren't really as important as the people willing to lead and motivate an org to do better. Of course the former helps, but I don't think anyone is disputing that the latter's effect is far, far greater.

And justifiably so I might add. Shuyin left for a change of scenery, then Xiel, who was just raised a few months prior, bailed to go join the "win" team. I'd be surprised if anyone in Seren didn't feel dumped on. And, so long as we're slapping attitudes on people, Glom's "we've earned these coat-tails to ride on" pompousness isn't any more appealing.

(nor is, I assume, the assertation that the attitude exists any more appreciated when you read that, then when I read yours).

As for the rest, I typed out a reply, but then realized that I'd be doing this all night, and I have work in six hours now. So, I'm out. Practical reality, yadda yadda, all that.

They're saying you changed Glomdoring for the better. It ws a compliment.

I actually don't think that Glomdoring "earned these coat-tails to ride on." The main thing that changed was leadership, which led to things like preparedness and what I am talking about. However, doing this does not require any specific person, but people with a certain attitude.

I also do think that you actually do have some valid things to point at as causing disparities. I just do not feel that the map is one of them, because there are very simple counters that can be done in this specific case (there's just... not much interest in doing 'em).