Right, my proposal is VA only.

Except that we wouldn't, heh. As has been pointed out, it would give a purpose to benevolence.

Doesn't change the fact that you're proposing insanely high penalties, far far far beyond the 500k that is avoided by an Ascendant at lower essence totals. Make a suggestion equivalent to the 500k in enemy territory and fine, penalty is applied to the org instead of the person, tada. You're not even trying with that idea, though!

500p is about as high as I can see being reasonable.

By this logic, since I gave my org 45,000 power to get the orgbix, every time I die I should be giving them power.

Epic logic fail.

I do like Ixchi's suggestion. Lots, actually. Not only does it reintroduce a death penalty, but it does so in a way that will bring the hammer down on people who raid all day without fear. 1:100 is harsh, but the idea of a seriously painful penalty for raiding without the resources to raid is quite appealing.

Heartstop for the greater good? I could see that.

Considering how much you cry in other threads about your text xp, I can imagine the tears if you had to cough up benevolences for Urazial on a routine basis. So yes, you/your org would suffer. Whether by direct loss of power ifrom your nexus or by having to keep Urazial's essence high enough constantly.

I've got plenty of the stuff. I have, many times, pointed out that you like to go far overboard on punishments (with a flat percent of all experience which just punishes you for hunting more, with no actual benefit for doing it)-- luckily, that was listened to. I'm fine with my current 2 mil loss. Can be a bit rough at times, but it seems to be serving its purpose in general.

I am glad even the noncoms notice.

Ix's is pretty palatable, especially since it takes into account reduced penalty for dying in places where you'd normally get org conglute, etc. Making sniping a fresh VA the best way to inflict power loss on an org short of a major event still seems kind of gross, though, but eh. Getting raised is infrequent enough.

It doesn't actually (the conglutinate part).

Ascendants lose 50k on the death, period. 550k if it's enemy territory (Or 2,050,000 at the upper end of the range, but that number doesn't matter here since if they're losing more than 500k they weren't going to drop under the threshold of 0 anyways!). The 250k for reincarnate is only an option once you're reforming.

Oh, nevermind. I forget that and end up applying demi-logic.

Yeah, I figured, heh.

Anyways, I'm aware the numbers are pretty low on the front end, I just think the penalty on the back-end with the suggestion is still high in comparison the maximum cost (even a 2,050,000 essence cost is lower than 5,000 power in terms of recovery time), so, I debate it.

To be honest, Lehki is pretty close as well, Lehki doesn't die nearly as often as Urazial, and can just hop to alts etc, so Serenwilde doesn't really run into to the same problem, Alianna doesn't play, so really those are the two people that this would effect.

I could just as easily make the argument that the only people supporting it are people with nothing to lose by implementing it

(granted people will be like well, Lendren and Iasmos supported it, but again Lehki doesn't die all that often, none of Serenwildes other VA's are even close to being at 0 essence except Alianna who doesn't play)


but, my opinion, I think 1000 is too big, 500 is reasonable.

You could and I could counter with - The reason the other orgs have nothing to lose by it is because they don't have VA's that are consistently getting themselves killed after starting crap and then running back in to start more crap because death means nothing to them.

which just lends credence and supports it, so feel free to admit you have nothing to lose by implementing this and stop making arguments that the only org arguing against it is the one with something to lose, you can be seen as bias just as easily as we can.

( I know you didn't say that particularly Gregori, but the point stands)

Of course I am biased. Thank you Captain Obvious.

Starting anything is subjective. Who killed elementals/daughters/ladies first, who ganked non-coms, cut down elder trees, etc. And you're right about other org VA's. They tend to quit playing the game, move to other orgs, or make alts to play on.

ahh now, no place for insults, I simply refuted a point being made

And yet, when they were fully active they still didn't do what you do on a consistent basis. In fact, you are the only VA to do what you do. Not to say that you will always be the only one, but hey we might as well curtail it now before we all have a Urazial in our orgs.