I like that ascendants have to gain the support of an organization (or two or three) in order to ascend, but perhaps there should be a discount on the power expended, like a trade-in of essence for power up to a certain amount.

(Not sure if this derailing is my fault or not, but if so, I apologize to Munsia.)

If you don't have the essence to revive yourself, have it cost the vernal's nexus 500 power. I think true ascendants have earned the right to do whatever the heck they want... maybe have them revive normally at 0 essence, and give them a 12-hour affliction that prevents them from using any essence abilities (divinefire, zap, etc.).

I still like the idea of letting them go into the negative, and as they go further, they get more powerful disfavor-like statuses.

That would actually be pretty good personal incentive, too.

If it wasn't that way and someone suggested it should be, everyone (sane) would be befuddled at the idea even being raised, it's so bass-ackwards. But because it is this way, everyone just takes it for granted. I can't for the life of me think of why they coded it this way. But no one bothers to object because, outside of the occasional Thoros thumbing his nose at his city, it's not going to happen anyway, save only for one person a year at most.

We've raised a demi. Mag has raised a demi. It happens... it's a matter of the demigod being the best choice at the time. As a continuously active warrior in Serenwilde... I'd assume your chances aren't too shabby.

There does not need to be a way for demigods to get ascendant on their own... an ascendant is a figure who has risen with the support of the many, not another personal achievement.

I like the idea of nexus power penalties for VAs. It's a much simpler idea than some drawn out disfavorish penalty negative essence spiel... and the VAs will care if they're costing their nexus excessive power because... people do not become VA who do not care about their org (except in Celest). Really though, just go bashing, Urazial

I approve of this idea, considering it was originally my idea in the Domoth thread.

Considering Demigod is 'the new level 50' or whatever, a discount on raising Demigods to Ascendant would cause a gigantic surge in Ascendant numbers. I am unsure if this is a good or bad thing.

It's good, it's goooood. Pleeease.

You're still only going to end up with cities raising individuals who are loyal, unless you make it so the demigod could potentially cover the entire cost of raising them (every 100 essence burned for it = 1 power = 100,000,000 essence to ascend yourself for 0 power). And really, it gives a demigod -something- to do with their essence.

I haven't been a demigod all that long really, and I'm sitting on 45 million essence, and nothing to do with it other than get bored and zap people. I died a ton getting my Beauty domoth, and I don't care at all - the essence cost was insignificant with vitae up, and I can always offer back what I lost to Raezon.

But there's absolutely no RP logic, or even a vague sense of fairness in costing a demigod 2/3 of their essence to become VA, when you could theoretically raise a level 1 to VA and they'd get free essence on top of that.

And, even assuming you allowed demigods to cover the entire cost of their becoming VA like I proposed, the hit on essence will be so massive it won't allow them to instantly trans Ascendance. Well, probably not, anyways. Maybe Vathael. He's crazy.

And ultimately, it'll tie these demigods to their organizations a little, instead of having everyone -constantly- switching sides. And I think this is a -good- thing.

I want to see this.

Speak for yourself. I know that if I ever got VA for some reason, it wouldn't even slow me down. Actually, it would probably speed me up.

As if anyone would even give a first thought to ascending Casilu...

(...of course, they did raise Narsrim.)

Narsrim is useful.

I so could have placed in the wet T-shirt contest.