Urzatron. Eye of Ugin. Consider the fact that there are decks that produce 7 mana on turn 3 RELIABLY. It's not too far-fetched to consider the possibility of this being viable.

As it is right now, yes, this won't see Standard play. I'm sure Rise of the Eldrazi will make it more likely, though. It will most definitely see casual play and will be pretty decent in any deck packing an Urzatron or other fast mana. If it gets a chance to attack you've probably won the game.

They aren't standard. If you're going to open up the entire Vintage format, you can still do much better.

You guys are also overestimating the "won the game" part. 12 damage is a lot but A) it can be chump blocked and by the time you get it out, if it isn't dead anyway, they are going to have four lands or some other random crap to sacrifice and still have enough to work with.

Right. If I were going to try to build around a 12/12 beater, I'd go for the good ol' Dreadnought. Much more combo and tempo friendly, that.

You don't play him in a deck that won't drop him by like, turn five. In which case four lands is plenty to hit to win the game, most times.

Reaching 7 produced mana on turn 3 is in Standard, without Urzatron. Eye of Ugin is Standard, and will be Standard upon RoE's release - and will cycle out with RoE upon the set after next.

Haven't you ever seen the Magical Christmas Land decklist?

Assuming that any player would rather sacrifice creatures/enchantments instead of lands, a player would still need at least 5 creatures on the board to even think about chump blocking Kolizek.

Heh. That brings back memories. My friend had one of those in a green deck, liked to sac his craw wurms to bring it out, then give it a regeneration effect somehow; his deck was full of those. Stomped on everyone else in the group. He was pretty mad when I just crumbled it. Can't even remember why I threw the card in the deck; didn't even sideboard it in. Just happened to have a card designed to screw up his plan in my hand. The look on his face was priceless.

I think you misunderstand how that deck works. However, before flaming you, I want numbers. Generating said numbers has turned into a minor programming project, though. Rather than using my sample, you throw together a decklist to be parsed, and we'll see just how well it works.

I dunno how I could misunderstand it when I playtested a variant of it, but yeah, sure. Let me whip up a decklist to run Kozilek and we'll see how viable it is. I'm not going to herald a second-coming of Jesus for this card, but I think his power/worth is heavily understated by the comments here. Granted, this is all assuming an opponent doesn't have, say, a Maelstrom Pulse or Terminate in their hand - since it dies to removal like any little Raging Goblin.

You only wish they were running those and not white Zendikar removal.

True that.

If anyone hasn't yet, try playtesting Basilisk Collar, especially with that white guy who searches out an artifact from your deck. Turns out make-me-a-nighthawk-on-a-stick-sans-flying is kinda insane.

Usage in Pro Tour Top 8s is a good deal of playtesting, I'd say.

Yeah, but 1 of's can be kinda suspicious, alotta pro tour decks can have a few wonky things thrown in to catch people off guard that might deviate from an otherwise 'vanilla' decklist. At any rate, it's just soooo much fun.

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Enjoy.

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Still better.

I would have gone with progenitus, you have to go through the same hoops to put it into play, and it kills people in the same amount of turns, but it's immune to non-coloured spells...

Actually I guess they are pretty similar though, no one ever casts PG but if you cast that guy you at least get an extra turn so it's like he has haste. I think he's better than Kozilek.

See, I wouldn't play Progenitus either. I play a Genju of the Realms in a casual deck as its reward for five colors. I'd much rather have the 8/12 trample that won't stay dead for 5 mana than the 10/10 that never dies but never hits either for 10 mana.

The Hellkite Charger comparison was for the extra turn bit. Double attacks are not as good as double turns, but you get that double attack each turn, and that's a flying beater that doesn't need many turns to get the job done. Also half the mana. Manageable mana costs are important!