Stargate Mafia

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Shaddus2010-03-15 03:51:40
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Mar 14 2010, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Lost Boys? Xavius was a mafia vampire?


Also Tekora... I'm only able to be online about two hours a day. If you really want to see that as "proof that I'm Mafia", feel free to try.

On the other hand, you say you're a one time reviver. However, not only have you not revived anyone (either as proof, or because we need them back), but you didn't die last night. Mafia would/should have taken your ass out. I'm not sure what your comment was supposed to mean "Shaddus, if I die, I'll see you next game", I'm sure it was sort of scummy. I still say you bear watching.
Rika2010-03-15 03:53:18
Who was it that Furien was harassing about being from Atlantis and not knowing about the time thing?
Tekora2010-03-15 03:59:55
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Mar 14 2010, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Lost Boys? Xavius was a mafia vampire?


Also Tekora... I'm only able to be online about two hours a day. If you really want to see that as "proof that I'm Mafia", feel free to try.


There you go with the quotemarks and the misquoting and the twisting my words again.

QUOTE (Tekora)
We could've lynched Shaddus like I said before, for all the reasons I've said before, in addition to the fact that ever since I outed myself, he's suddenly gone silent and hasn't participated at all. After all, why would the scum WANT to help untie this knot of confusion? It does nothing but help them.


Do you see the words "proof that Shaddus is Mafia" in there? No? Because they aren't there. What I DID say was that the Scum would NOT want us to untangle the confusion about Eldanien's role, who he did and didn't kill and if Eldanien's Day 1 night vig was a newbie move or a Scum tactic. So I did what my role allowed me to do. I ended the confusion by hammering the vote on Eldanien, thereby undoing Xavius' Gordian Knot of Confusion and getting a death confirmation on Eldanien's innocence.

I then revived him last night fully expecting to die, but thankfully I'm still here. Which means I can do this.

Vote: Shaddus

It's not your inactivity that makes me believe you're Scum, it's how you keep lying and misleading the rest of the group by misquoting and twisting my words to fit your purposes, how you keep trying to derail my attempts to lead lines of discussion and how Xavius came to help you yesterday and started the train that almost lynched me, and then went on to lynch Eldanien. Either you or Xavius know something that we don't, and that makes you scum.

I am so certain that you are scum that I'm going to put some insurance in place right now against you. Eldanien owes me his life. He can pay me back by nightkilling you tonight if we fail to lynch you. But I don't think we'll have that problem. But if by some strange mystic disturbance that things turn out that we DON'T lynch you today, and Eldanien dies again somehow before he manages to kill you, then hopefully the rest of the group will be able to put 2 and 2 together and lynch you tomorrow. One way or another, I promise you that you will not survive this game.



PS: And just to keep everyone informed and on the up and up, a friendly reminder that my having revived Eldanien makes me Vanilla now.
Tekora2010-03-15 04:01:04
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Mar 14 2010, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On the other hand, you say you're a one time reviver. However, not only have you not revived anyone (either as proof, or because we need them back), but you didn't die last night. Mafia would/should have taken your ass out. I'm not sure what your comment was supposed to mean "Shaddus, if I die, I'll see you next game", I'm sure it was sort of scummy. I still say you bear watching.


Why do you think Eldanien is alive again?!

Keep digging yourself deeper.
Shaddus2010-03-15 04:04:51
QUOTE (Tekora @ Mar 14 2010, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why do you think Eldanien is alive again?!

Keep digging yourself deeper.

Oh, duh. /facepalm
Mirami2010-03-15 04:05:28
QUOTE (Furien @ Feb 26 2010, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Relatedly: I, too, am from Atlantis. Notably, Kiradawea was as well, and was able to back up my claim of knowledge of the wormhole's fluctuations sending us into the past. I'm starting to wonder if all my fellow Atlanteans are aware of this.

With that in mind, Tekora was not privy to that knowledge. For now, FoS: Tekora for this, but more input is appreciated.


@RIKA: I think it was Kiradawea (as per the above). However, Kira's dead... So that doesn't really help us.
Tekora2010-03-15 04:07:39
QUOTE (Romertien @ Mar 15 2010, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@RIKA: I think it was Kiradawea (as per the above). However, Kira's dead... So that doesn't really help us.


I'd really like to steer away from this whole focus on time travel and wormholes and flavor text. Because that's what I believe it is. Simple flavor text to justify appearances and interaction by characters that never would have met in the official canon.

It's a red herring that's really disrupting the focus here.
Shaddus2010-03-15 04:17:14
QUOTE (Tekora @ Mar 12 2010, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We could've lynched Shaddus like I said before, for all the reasons I've said before, in addition to the fact that ever since I outed myself, he's suddenly gone silent and hasn't participated at all. After all, why would the scum WANT to help untie this knot of confusion? It does nothing but help them.

Not twisted, sorry. Am I to understand that this paragraph -doesn't- mean you think I'm scum because I haven't been active enough for you?

And though I understand you think Eldanien owes you his life, you're the one who last voted to lynch him in the first place. If Eldanien kills me tonight, there's not much I can do about it. You've been really aggressive against me ever since I noted that you wanted to lynch someone. I'm not sure if it's an OMGUS thing, or what, because I'm not twisting your words. I'm explaining what I believe you're saying, and why I think you're being so aggressive. Is your anger towards me supposed to scare me away from suspecting you?
Mirami2010-03-15 04:27:42
QUOTE (Tekora @ Mar 14 2010, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd really like to steer away from this whole focus on time travel and wormholes and flavor text. Because that's what I believe it is. Simple flavor text to justify appearances and interaction by characters that never would have met in the official canon.

It's a red herring that's really disrupting the focus here.

FoS: Tekora

Rika's point, is that somebody disagreed with Furien, and Furien kept saying they're wrong, and now Furien's dead to a nightkill. It makes sense to bring it back up since it was somebody who disagreed with Furien. I'm curious as to why you seem so convinced that we should silence the discussion, when it may have led us to Furien's killer, or at least to a plausible suspect. Do you have other ideas for how we can find the who killed Furien? Otherwise, I suggest you let people try to work things out logically, based on evidence, which is what Rika was trying to do.

On another note, I suspect the scum took out Furien because of his extensive stargate knowledge- his ability to pick out false stories, etc. Anybody else know the canon really well? Or are we out of luck on that point?
Eldanien2010-03-15 04:33:36
"It's not that I'm afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens." - W. Allen

Thanks for the revive. My learning experience may get put to use sooner than I expected.

Regarding the time travel thing, my role PM (outlined above) makes no mention of it, and Ronon is Atlantean. So either flavor text, or Ronon's just not interested enough to care.

Someone blocked me that first night when I targeted Xavius, or someone protected him. I have my suspicions. Any thoughts on this?
Shaddus2010-03-15 04:34:10
QUOTE (Romertien @ Mar 14 2010, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FoS: Tekora

Rika's point, is that somebody disagreed with Furien, and Furien kept saying they're wrong, and now Furien's dead to a nightkill. It makes sense to bring it back up since it was somebody who disagreed with Furien. I'm curious as to why you seem so convinced that we should silence the discussion, when it may have led us to Furien's killer, or at least to a plausible suspect. Do you have other ideas for how we can find the who killed Furien? Otherwise, I suggest you let people try to work things out logically, based on evidence, which is what Rika was trying to do.

On another note, I suspect the scum took out Furien because of his extensive stargate knowledge- his ability to pick out false stories, etc. Anybody else know the canon really well? Or are we out of luck on that point?

You have a point, though I'm not sure it should bring an FoS when Tekora disagrees. I think he's just trying to be straightforward and ignore side things so we don't become distracted. He's still too damned aggressive, though.
Tekora2010-03-15 05:03:47
QUOTE (Romertien @ Mar 15 2010, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FoS: Tekora

Rika's point, is that somebody disagreed with Furien, and Furien kept saying they're wrong, and now Furien's dead to a nightkill. It makes sense to bring it back up since it was somebody who disagreed with Furien. I'm curious as to why you seem so convinced that we should silence the discussion, when it may have led us to Furien's killer, or at least to a plausible suspect. Do you have other ideas for how we can find the who killed Furien? Otherwise, I suggest you let people try to work things out logically, based on evidence, which is what Rika was trying to do.

On another note, I suspect the scum took out Furien because of his extensive stargate knowledge- his ability to pick out false stories, etc. Anybody else know the canon really well? Or are we out of luck on that point?


Why FOS on me? I already full claimed, I VERIFIED my full claim, and you're FOS'ing me?

Look, Furien died because he does have a lot of knowledge about Stargate, plus he's a dangerous player. If this Time Travel thing is REALLY bothering you that much, we can come back to it later when we have no leads.

Until then, will you please read up on what Shaddus has been doing and come to some kind of conclusion, or at least post how you feel about him right now? No one except me has been making any kind of comment on Shaddus and it's getting really frustrating.

And as for you, Shaddus...

That paragraph is one of the SEVERAL reasons I believe you are scum. Not that you were inactive, but that you went almost completely silent AFTER and ONLY AFTER the lynch attempt on me failed. From there, you let Xavius take over the push, which he diverted onto Eldanien. Your only post between my full claim and the end of the day was this.

QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Mar 8 2010, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what's that supposed to mean? You leave my AutoScum Aura © alone.


As for Tekora claiming a one-shot revive, it's pretty believeable, but not something I'd personally claim, as it paints a target on your back. Just sayin'.

UNVOTE:TEKORA

Not sure about the whole Eldanien thing, I'll hold off for now.


You did nothing to help clarify the confusion about Eldanien. I, on the other hand, ended the day before Xavius could force more people to claim and make us give up more information to him and the scum, as was his goal here.

QUOTE (Xavius @ Mar 11 2010, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Works with, but is not. It's a pretty important distinction when flavor checking, which makes it doubly frustrating when a certain someone can even quote all the relevant features and still not read the quoted passages...or not read how we're trying to find an out for Eldanien right before voting for him. The lazy, it burns. sad.gif

So, um, impromptu poll, since I don't see ideas forthcoming: would it be worthwhile to out both the roleblocker and vig to the scum teams to prevent lynching the vig? It would be a real easy confirmation. I doubt that the mod hates us so much that we'd have three scum kills in a game of fifteen. I just don't think that it's worth the cost in the end. We don't know if they'd go for the roleblocker or the vig first, so we couldn't reliably protect them...or just kill Tekora first, then the roleblocker or vig next. Too many variables. Too sloppy of play thus far.

On the other hand, dropping a vig kill in the midst of random voting season and claiming some sort of vague insight is still just plain dumb. Metagame instinct is telling me that Eldanien is probably innocent, and it's making me waver a bit on lynching him, but indiscriminate killing at the earliest opportunity is practically the defining measure of a scum faction.

Indeciiiiiiision. sad.gif


I then decided to assume responsibility for damage control, and hammered the vote on Eldanien with the full intention of reviving him if he in fact was a Night Vig. Which he is. So I revived him. Now he's a confirmed townie and all that confusion that Xavius caused is cleared up. So tell me how I did something wrong with hammering the vote on him?

As for my aggro on you, I'll cut it down real simple.

60% - Suspicion based on your actions. (Which have already been outlined in several posts.)
20% - Your working together with Xavius to get me lynched yesterday.
10% - Revenge against you for leading a train that almost lynched me
10% - I always play aggro when I'm on a hunch. Though I thought this was already known by now.
Unknown2010-03-15 06:50:19
To assess, or not to assess? Hmm.
Unknown2010-03-15 10:20:48
QUOTE (Eldanien @ Mar 15 2010, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"It's not that I'm afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens." - W. Allen

Thanks for the revive. My learning experience may get put to use sooner than I expected.

Regarding the time travel thing, my role PM (outlined above) makes no mention of it, and Ronon is Atlantean. So either flavor text, or Ronon's just not interested enough to care.

Someone blocked me that first night when I targeted Xavius, or someone protected him. I have my suspicions. Any thoughts on this?


He was resistant to night kills. Coulda just been that. His whole "I'm a reflector/targetmeandyoudie" was madeup.

I think Tekora is town, he's essentially proved it already.
Unknown2010-03-15 10:30:56
QUOTE (Romertien @ Mar 15 2010, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FoS: Tekora

Rika's point, is that somebody disagreed with Furien, and Furien kept saying they're wrong, and now Furien's dead to a nightkill. It makes sense to bring it back up since it was somebody who disagreed with Furien. I'm curious as to why you seem so convinced that we should silence the discussion, when it may have led us to Furien's killer, or at least to a plausible suspect. Do you have other ideas for how we can find the who killed Furien? Otherwise, I suggest you let people try to work things out logically, based on evidence, which is what Rika was trying to do.

On another note, I suspect the scum took out Furien because of his extensive stargate knowledge- his ability to pick out false stories, etc. Anybody else know the canon really well? Or are we out of luck on that point?


I honestly don't remember the disagreement as that significant or big; it was a pretty minor sidething.

Tekora's pretty familiar with the canon. Wikipedia is your friend, too!

I'm going to go reread day 2.
Ileein2010-03-15 11:02:54
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Mar 15 2010, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To assess, or not to assess? Hmm.


Go for it! I'm going to wait until I'm more sure there -are- any key systems to analyze before I analyze them.
Unknown2010-03-15 19:32:54
Sure. Let's ASSESS THE SITUATION while supping on bottled water and freeze-dried steak, or whatever... this stuff is.
Gleip2010-03-15 22:34:28
Such whacky hijinx. Personally, I think reviving an over-eager vig is a bad thing. If we wanted someone useful for the power, it should've been Reiha. Jailkeeper seems more powerful for me.

That being said, I am really gonna Vote: Shaddus. I can't see anyone who puts such massive amount of work into framing a claimed rezzer, and still ignore that Tekora used his rezz, to be anything but scum.
Mirami2010-03-15 23:24:08
I'm still suspicious about Tekora, despite there not being any evidence for it, and tons to the contrary... But I'm just gonna have to trust him.

VOTE: Shaddus

I still don't like Tekora's tone, but we can't really afford to remove our other stargate know-it-all-person
Unknown2010-03-16 00:11:18
A few people help move Furien's body into a more natural position and place it a ways off from Xavius's. Everyone then sits down to feast on freeze-dried whatever-this-is.
After taking a few gulps of water, Vendetta considers the logo on the bottle, then switches to another topic. Thinking aloud, Vendetta says, "Okay, here's a plan. We find the power source. Find a way to link up Ileein's tablet and recharge it. Head back to the glowy thing and hopefully all go our separate ways."
A short discussion follows, after which everyone gets up and heads down the corridor again.
----
Unfortunately the group has to come to a stop before a shimmering force field. Whose switch appears to be on the other side.
They backtrack into another corridor, only to find the same setup.
"Who $%^&ing engineered this place?!"
((The next lynch will be the brave soul who has to push the button.))