The reason they gave us this warning is so we can put VA elections and such on hold until we know what's happening. That you're going through with your VA elections and blithely ignoring this (for the most part) is what's surprising.

Anyway, my questions! Don't necessarily expect answers, but think they should be considered Up There. I also want to make it clear that I very much like the proposed solution, which I feel addresses my problems with Sidd's original solution, albeit perhaps in a bit harsher manner than I had considered.


1) What will happen to essence currently invested in the Ascendance skillset?

2) Will all, or at least most, combat-oriented powers be achievable (and supernumerary) with the standard demipoints? I think that having this be the case would reduce the impetus to only raise combatants to Ascendance.
Otherwise, having them achievable with 10 demipoints will reduce the impetus to keep your current Ascendant Combatants as Ascendants instead of Vernals, meaning RPers can still achieve (or keep if they already have) the top rank.



Oh, and an IG year is 12 RL days - I assume you meant that rather than the 15 in your post.

Why would they get drained, the 'drain' is paid upfront, not in upkeep form anymore.

I believe that the drain will reduce the debt. That is, if you owe 1 million power, you lose 50k/weave, and that is reduced from the debt. So after the first weave you lose 50k and owe 950k, next lose 50k and owe 900k, etc. etc.

That's my understanding too, incidentally.

Also, I assume when you strip someone of VA, we don't get a portion of the power back, right? Since they become Vernal whatevers.

Also echoing Esano's question: Can I get my ascendance essence back please

I know. I can still be clueless! Though that's... probably not ideal.

This is probably your cue to direct Sarrasri to relevant information, just in case.

@Above: I, too, wouldn't mind an essence refund, especially if we're gonna have to re-purchase things too.

Last I looked at this design it was set that stripping a demigod will return 500k power (half of what you paid, but 1/4th of what would be paid for 1 & 2, and decreasing exponentially from there).

Power drains would be deducted from debt. IE if you owe 1m essence, you will lose 50k power per weave until 1m essence has been paid off.

I'm not a power aide or anything atm, but wouldn't a 50k a weave drain simply bottom out your nexus long before any serious debt was paid? I suppose the point is that you strip almost everyone, but still, wow.

If we take only one thing from the stats thread, it should be that shrink/expand are definitely combat powers because it buffs str/dex.

Plus no one has any way of telling what size you are so it's not even an RP power.

Not entirely true, but pretty much, yes.

While we're at it and before I forget, can we please, please fit in some advantage for choosing to raise a demigod than a non-demigod?

Are we allowed to suggest "demigod shop" things? If so, I'd really suggest that you include objects that can be continual essence drain. Not through upkeep, but through things that can be very useful to have. Essence to power, essence to trade-comms, essence to manse stuff and so on.

If a "Vernal Demigod" leaves their organization do they still become a normal Demigod?

Also, would Vernal Demigods be able to (once a year, say) change their Ascendant supernumerary power?

If an Ascendant gets stripped and becomes a Demigod again, will the essence spent on supernumerary abilities be refunded at all? I can understand removing the abilities (or whatever else was purchased) to force them down to the lower number of points, but losing all the essence invested seems a bit harsh.



And, if this keeps me from my VA, I'll be a very unhappy camper.

It will keep you from your VA

Well, given the costs suggested, a lot of Serens are going to have to have VA stripped.

I'd like to see the costs tweaked a bit, since at present that's going to require that every VA except for 2 get it stripped immediately. Like, instead of losing 50k per month until it's repaid, you get all "net" power taken to pay it (with a minimum cost of 5k, so if your net income is not at least 5k it attacks the principal). So if your net power is 3,500 per day, your Nexus loses 1500 power (and 5000 gets removed from your debt). If your net gain is 6,000 per day you gain 0p, but 6,000 is removed from your debt.

For VAs past a certain number (say, when you have 4 VAs), you can make it start digging into the principal regardless (as per the current suggestion):
At VA #4, it takes another 10k from the Nexus even beyond the above (so if your net gain is 6k, that net gain is Xed out and your Nexus loses 10k. All 16,000 power goes to your power debt)
VA #5, it does 20k. Etc.




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Question: Glomdoring has currently spent 7,000,000 on Ascendants. If we strip VA from 4 in preparation for these changes (in the 1-week-grace-period), what happens to that power? Half, none, all? Since that would be a pretty important decision in whether we could do two or three (by the power spent we should be able to do 3, but it all depends on what's returned for us to use I guess).

We get half back for sure. Whether or not the second half is accountable towards the owed debt is another thing, or if it is forever a sunk cost of no value.

Finally: Make the values for the supernumeraries something like:
Demigod 50
Vernal Demigod 75
Ascendant 100

(Or 25->35->50)

Essentially, it's looking like there are a lot of options / ideas for things on the table here, and a wider range lets you tweak weighting for skills appropriately (for example, Refresh taking 2 weight-points out of 5 is pretty hefty, but 3 or 4 out of 50 isn't so bad. Whereas DivineFire might take 10 out of 50. Essentially, the higher the values, the more you can tweak the numbers to be appropriate costs.

We don't need 50-100% gaps in the stages. There's enough special-little-snowflake going on with these changes, a small gap would be more suitable.