Touhou Smalltown Mafia

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Xavius2010-04-16 15:48:22
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Apr 16 2010, 04:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So why'd you lynch Gleip? Same principle, except that Gleip could've actually been useful to keep around since we as a town more easily could use his power.

True fact: if we let Gleip be Gleip, we couldn't use his power now anyways.
Unknown2010-04-16 19:59:21
Hi, sorry for the lack of posting. Why Siam?

Because he is one of the better roles. I figured the scum would have automatically assumed the cops or watchers would be protected and go after someone else. I assumed the scum would figure the cops would be blocked up the wazoo. It was a toss-up between Saran and Siam, so I choose Siam. I did not think he would use his power n1 - so I did not want to risk him dying n1.

¿yo comprehende?

QUOTE (Xav)
What I especially don't like is Bali's claim to have taken actions off of Siam onto himself. I would expect Siam to be potentially roleblocked as one of the no night action people. This only helps scum, but gives you a plausible claim if someone did roleblock Siam. Siam wouldn't know the difference, and you could say that the night kill couldn't be yours because you got roleblocked.


How does it only help scum? I dont understand, please elaborate. Why would he use his power n1? Do you honestly think that the scum would think he would global roleblock NIGHT 1? I was operating under the assumption that not even the scum would be that stupid and would possibly try to snipe him n1 for that reason.

QUOTE (Rom)
Oh, wait, I missed your last paragraph. Oops

That being said, I agree with Xavius' reasoning so far.


Active lurking, predatory, latcher-on, etc Vote: Romertien
Tekora2010-04-16 20:38:22
QUOTE (Romertien @ Apr 9 2010, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shiri, Gleip, Xavius, and Tekora are all sending out scum tells.

On the other hand, we only have three scum, so at least one of the above is actually not scum.


Romertien's only contribution to the game so far is this stupid claim where he called us scum because we were the only ones posting anything. Besides this, the only thing he's done is ask for votecounts and the fourth vote for Gleip with a two word post.
Xavius2010-04-16 20:57:58
QUOTE (B_a_L_i @ Apr 16 2010, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How does it only help scum? I dont understand, please elaborate. Why would he use his power n1? Do you honestly think that the scum would think he would global roleblock NIGHT 1? I was operating under the assumption that not even the scum would be that stupid and would possibly try to snipe him n1 for that reason.

The issue is that if one of our roleblockers wasn't dumb and there wasn't some stumbling on top of Tekora, Siam would be a very likely roleblock. That's kinda what you do with a setup like this: roleblock people who shouldn't be using night actions.

The decision still has no grounding in reality. What difference does it make to the scum if he uses the power on night one or night three? What difference does it make to the scum if they try to kill him on a night he uses the night power? It's a great endgame power that pretty much ensures he'll be targetted by the endgame...but night one? Really?

More important is that there was a high probability that he would have been roleblocked as a scum check, and you tampered with that. It's also a disturbingly safe claim, regardless of whether or not the two of you are working together. The only actions he could have reasonably been targetted with are roleblock or doctor, neither of which would appear to Saran. In that case, Saran could have been roleblocked, you could have killed or doused someone, and you'd have a convenient excuse. Well, obviously wasn't me who killed someone, because I got roleblocked!
Kiradawea2010-04-16 23:17:07
QUOTE (Xavius @ Apr 16 2010, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True fact: if we let Gleip be Gleip, we couldn't use his power now anyways.

True fact, the above statement is false. It took Gleip three days to set a time-limit for his diving from what I can see. And it was pretty clearly an attempt to make people more active, it succeeded in that and so I'm pretty sure Gleip would've ended up not diving anyone. I know the guy. He's aggressive, but he ain't foolish.

Not that it matters, because it is irrelevant if we could use his power today or not. It doesn't change the fact that Gleip's dive could be very useful and easily used by town, far more than Arix' power, because that can actually be used cleverly by scum.

Gleip was an easy lynch. Far too easy. The train happened very fast, and that suggests that there was scum involved in the train. So yes, I'm a bit suspect on the whole issue. And with Bali's response being what I envisioned it to be, I'm more inclined to gaze at Tekora and Romertien.

Tekora was the one who hammered Gleip, thus preventing him from defending himself. This is bad, no matter how "townie" Tekora is, and reeks of desperation.

Everyone was painfully bad at giving a reason for voting for Gleip. First vote, no reasoning whatsoever. Second and third were fully non-committal. Romertien however sticks out because she asked for a vote-count before putting a vote on Gleip with no reasoning whatsoever. Today just adds to the feeling that yes, Romertien is "predatory" and looking for a quick lynch.
Mirami2010-04-17 00:22:36
Well, I don't really see anything to add at this point that hasn't been said, regarding today's action... I'll look over the thread again and see what I can find.

Regarding yesterday, I believe you'll find I was one of the first to be suspicious of Gleip. While it is unfortunate that he was town, I do recall leading that particular train, so please don't accuse me of only bandwagoning and following the lead of others.
Kiradawea2010-04-17 00:31:09
That'd have some merit, if not for the fact that you DID NOT lead the train that got him lynched. You jumped in midway and never once did you provide any sufficient reason for why you found him so suspicious. Even early on, by my counting Xavius was the first to vote for Gleip, and even he admitted that it was on shaky reasoning (if I understand him right). And it wasn't "unfortunate" that Gleip was town. It was obvious that he was town. No scum would attempt a stunt like that, because it makes them too much of a target.
Mirami2010-04-17 00:33:59
QUOTE (Romertien @ Apr 3 2010, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Right now, I'm thinking Gleip for that silly vote. I'm gonna wait for him to post again so he can change his mind if he wants, but otherwise he's coming under the hammer.



QUOTE (Xavius @ Apr 3 2010, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bad reason is bad...but it's worth conversation, I guess.

Vote: Gleip


Note the times. Not only was I the first to pressure, but I gave him time to answer/unvote first. I do hope we can see that this is clearly a non-'predatory' action? If I had really been hasty for a lynch, I would have voted, instead of waiting for a response from Gleip...
Kiradawea2010-04-17 00:43:02
That's hardly pressure. That's trying to force him to unvote with absolutely no reasoning. Waiting with a vote does not change the fact that no powerful reasoning was applied to the vote. You voted on him for being silly. That makes you appear predatory.
Mirami2010-04-17 00:52:15
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Apr 16 2010, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's hardly pressure. That's trying to force him to unvote with absolutely no reasoning. Waiting with a vote does not change the fact that no powerful reasoning was applied to the vote. You voted on him for being silly. That makes you appear predatory.


Xavius, voted on him for being silly. I asked for him to explain the silliness, and when he didn't explain it to satisfaction, I voted for him. If we're going for predatory votes, Xavius should be on top of the list.

Actually, now that I see what you're saying about predatory-votes. And, if I understand you correctly, you want to eliminate those who seem to be focusing on lynch lynch lynch?

That would be Xavius. He's cast the first vote both days.
UNVOTE

VOTE: Xavius

Siam2010-04-17 15:31:00
QUOTE (Romertien @ Apr 17 2010, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Xavius, voted on him for being silly. I asked for him to explain the silliness, and when he didn't explain it to satisfaction, I voted for him. If we're going for predatory votes, Xavius should be on top of the list.

Actually, now that I see what you're saying about predatory-votes. And, if I understand you correctly, you want to eliminate those who seem to be focusing on lynch lynch lynch?

That would be Xavius. He's cast the first vote both days.
UNVOTE

VOTE: Xavius


So, basically, you asked Xavius why he voted for Gleip, and when the explanation wasn't satisfactory to you, you voted for Gleip?
Mirami2010-04-17 15:38:14
QUOTE (thisismydisplayname @ Apr 17 2010, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, basically, you asked Xavius why he voted for Gleip, and when the explanation wasn't satisfactory to you, you voted for Gleip?

No. I asked Gleip why he cast the vote on Siam.
Siam2010-04-17 15:42:39
QUOTE (Romertien @ Apr 17 2010, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No. I asked Gleip why he cast the vote on Siam.


Well, to Gleip's credit he said it was a random vote and an attempt to get things moving. Seems pretty clear to me.
Mirami2010-04-17 15:46:43
QUOTE (thisismydisplayname @ Apr 17 2010, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, to Gleip's credit he said it was a random vote and an attempt to get things moving. Seems pretty clear to me.

And... He never changed it when we started looking for real reasons to vote. So, I voted for him.
Siam2010-04-17 15:49:42
QUOTE (Romertien @ Apr 17 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And... He never changed it when we started looking for real reasons to vote. So, I voted for him.


Okay!
Shiri2010-04-17 16:09:10
I'm not really impressed by what we learnt from last night, but I do want to avoid lynching our only other investigator, at least until Xavius has a chance to copy it. I'm reading Mirami as unimpressive, Arix as doing random crap like normal, Shulamit as being her first game and not certain of how to operate (even then it wasn't a bad pick) and Balizar as having tried to roll no lynch day 1. I guess that decides which train to join.

Vote: Balizar.
Unknown2010-04-17 19:18:10
Quit being lazy Shiri.
Unknown2010-04-17 20:04:23
You say lazy like it's a bad thing.

Putting that aside, I'm not totally sure if I want to accept the no lynch debate on day 1 as a reason to lynch, but I'm not feeling a strong incentive to redirect my vote elsewhere. Think I'll sit and think on it a little longer.
Unknown2010-04-17 20:15:06
Its not a debate at all.

"Balizar having tried to roll no-lynch" is not a credible argument. Three votes is not a train. Earth to Shiri. Calling Shiri. Wake up.

If anything we should be looking at A: Romertien, for his massive active lurking or B: Tekora, for his whining and distancing himself from the Gleip hammer.
Tekora2010-04-17 20:32:11
QUOTE (B_a_L_i @ Apr 17 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its not a debate at all.

"Balizar having tried to roll no-lynch" is not a credible argument. Three votes is not a train. Earth to Shiri. Calling Shiri. Wake up.

If anything we should be looking at A: Romertien, for his massive active lurking or B: Tekora, for his whining and distancing himself from the Gleip hammer.


WHAT THE censor.gif .

QUOTE (Tekora @ Apr 13 2010, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, so according to what we've learned, I was roleblocked AND redirected onto myself last night. What a wonderful waste of two night actions, because I didn't make any moves last night.

That said, I'm looking at Arix and Shulamit right now. Arix claims to have frozen Xavius, which puts him under scrutiny, because he knew like the rest of us that Xavius was going to research Kiradawea's dousing tonight. As for Shulamit, I had a feeling that she was going to claim blocking me, because it's what I would have done in her place and if I were scum.

See, Shiri was holding off on going after me until he determined whether his attempt to get me to suicide was interrupted by someone else. If Shulamit had claimed to block anyone but me, I would have been vindicated. Instead, it now seems to the outside observer that if I did try to use my kill last night, that Shulamit stopped me. This result would/will undoubtedly result in Shiri going after me again with as much zeal as yesterday. Thus, Shulamit manages to keep suspicion off herself, allowing her to stay quiet like she has been while Shiri does her dirty work for her.

Add to this the fact that Arix's reason for freezing Xavius was very very weak, basically amounting to 'LOL OOPS'. Arix is not so much of a novice player to pull that much of a blunder. So what do I think might have happened last night? I think Shulamit blocked Xavius and Arix froze someone else. Did anyone else try to use their night power and fail last night?


QUOTE (Tekora @ Apr 13 2010, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Grasping at straws? It makes fine sense and is a perfectly reasonable alternate scenario for what might have happened last night, besides the obvious 'Shulamit blocks Tekora, Arix blocks Xavius' scenario. Bringing more information and scenarios to the table and keeping a wide view and an open mind is vital to town success in any game.

Keep posting one-sentence responses.


Where in the bloody hell do you see me trying to distance myself from the Gleip hammer? WHERE?

Vote: Bali because I'm tired of having people put words in my mouth.