But but, this thread already started from another thread. And all I really have left to say is I don't understand how people can try to compare org alliances to these things.

Don't really know all the background, but why can't you influence the illithoid village and say that "we're taking them over to attempt to reform them/research a cure/make sure they remain oppressed and don't take over the world"? Same thing as what Celest does in trying for Acknor.

There's always a way to twist RP...

There's a difference between crazy slavers and crazy, soulless, soul-eating, utterly corrupt monsters whom you've made an oath to not work together with. Mainly in degree. I'd be very happy if Celest, Serenwilde and Hallifax couldn't influence Ixthiaxa at all, and that the opposite would be true as well.

Acknor has orcs. Orcs are tainted Orclach.

Crazy
Soulless
Corrupt
Soul-eating (maybe)

It makes absolutely no real sense for Hallifax to not be able to influence Ixthiaxa; it's not like Hallifax cares about slaves, or any of that other stuff. (Though Rika does for some weird reason)

On the other end of the spectrum, why shouldn't Glom be able to influence Ptoma? I'm perfectly happy with enslaving an entire village of bugs and making them serve me.

... and then kill them when they annoy me. Yay for a whole village of slaves.

Except revolts are about convincing the village to serve you. Can't subjugate villages by force.

This kind of philosophy is not outside the realm of any org's RP, not even Celest's. You just have to be more creative, and not feel chained to one niche!

Have you ever even looked at Magnagora's influence messages?

Intimidation != force.

See, I would disagree. Intimidation does not work without the force behind it to back it up (or at least, the perceived force).

If some wimpy little nerd threatens to beat you up if you don't give him your lunch money, you're... most likely going to laugh and walk away!

And I want a village of slaves. Yes please. If we successfully influence them Ptoma should perma-die and the honours quest there should be disabled.

I don't know why you guys are still hung up over this.

All people have just pointed out is that it's well within RP by any org to want to enslave the soulless village, citing numerous examples in the past. But you guys are all 'WHAT NO WAY UNPOSSIBLE'. But it really is.

So how about them comms in the comm shop.

They're not crazy, just stupid. And they're not soulless, they're tainted.



They're shards of a soulless god, there's no way to cure that. And there's something straight out of Serenwilde history where studying the taint resulted in civil war among the druids. Maybe Hallifax could say that but it doesn't fit Serenwilde's RP at all.

It's just that old problem of where the 'good' guys just won't make use of certain methods or resources, while the 'bad' guys generally have no problem using every thing they can get their hands on. And I know good and bad don't really fit here, but it's the same idea. <,<

It's not like it's without precedent to prevent a village from being attainable by some orgs. Not saying it's suitable in this case, because I haven't done the village stuff. But as a concept, if "my arrpee says we can do whatever we want" is the only practical way to operate, maybe we should make ankrag influenceable by everyone.

It can be in paradigmatics. "You choose to believe you can influence undead".

Uh, what? You can always use the 'for the good of x, we shall do this' reasoning. Like I said, that's basically what you use for working with Magnagora, no?



EDIT: This is a reply to Lehki. Damn you Akui!

We're told that it can be influenced by anyone now that the orcs can be influenced.

Just have to kill all the rest.

That would be a darned long influence though... :/

And it's also not without precedent for "good" orgs to take drastic measures and do things which aren't "good". But controlling -any- village is good for any org, so there should be no RP reason preventing that.

Saying that there shouldn't be an RP reason to prevent it doesn't change the fact that there bloody ARE plenty of RP reasons to prevent it.

And we're yet to be in a drastic enough situation where the benefits of controlling one village will solve the situation.

Doubt that will happen. 3/3 council members have lived in Glomdoring.

Sure it does. You can embrace or reject any facet of RP. If you choose to do so to a degree that is detrimental, well, bad choice. Was Serenwilde focusing on influencing Ptoma or fighting? Going to say that I didn't see any influencing, and whether or not they were, it was their choice to do so. Serenwilde could refuse to influence Ixthiaxa, sure, but given the soulless nature of its denizens it seems perfectly logical that a "good" org would seek to take control of it to keep an eye on those wicked, wicked illithoid.

I agree with Urazial. You personally, Lehki, justified murdering babies so Glomdoring wouldn't get them. I see little difference in crushing the Illithoid village's spirit and making them work for you to help destroy their own kind.