Unknown2010-04-18 19:19:37
When someone Really Dies, they end up having their soul recycled into a big pool of soul-stuff to be reincarnated into someone else, or hang around as a spectre/etc if there's some extenuating magical or divine circumstance.
Nobody ever really dies, since when you DO get sent to the Fates, Atropos never actually cuts your thread, so you come back. I'd imagine the same would happen to respawning NPCs, and the whole reason that the Fates make mistakes and end up not cutting a bunch of threads is because these types of deaths are caused by people who aren't Fatebound (ie, players or Divine having the free will to make the Fates do a whoopsy).
Nobody ever really dies, since when you DO get sent to the Fates, Atropos never actually cuts your thread, so you come back. I'd imagine the same would happen to respawning NPCs, and the whole reason that the Fates make mistakes and end up not cutting a bunch of threads is because these types of deaths are caused by people who aren't Fatebound (ie, players or Divine having the free will to make the Fates do a whoopsy).
Unknown2010-04-18 19:54:11
QUOTE (Eventru @ Apr 17 2010, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure people are rewoven back into the tapestry (and reborn). Since the running theory is there's no 'creation' and no 'destruction' then mortal souls have to come from somewhere. Could go with the Adam Kadmon theory and believe there's a place with every merian soul waiting to be born (though eventually it would have to run out!) or go with an adaptation (there's x souls and they're all just being rewoven).
I'd really love to see some interesting ideas play out, personally (and there's no reason Winnae shouldn't believe there's xyz afterlife or what have you! Though I think the general notion behind Nihilists and the like is eternal life by way of undeath, but... )
I'd really love to see some interesting ideas play out, personally (and there's no reason Winnae shouldn't believe there's xyz afterlife or what have you! Though I think the general notion behind Nihilists and the like is eternal life by way of undeath, but... )
Now here I thought that the running theory is that there WAS no death or creation, but that was due to Dynara and Magnora's absence, which has since been rectified with the return of Estarra, bringing into reality birth and death once more.
Everiine2010-04-18 20:51:38
I like to think that we are all stuck in this cycle, in a single moment of cosmic time, on the cusp of something extraordinary-- the cycle will only be broken once we and the Tapestry are able to withstand and weather the extraordinary to come.
Unknown2010-04-18 21:08:51
QUOTE (Everiine @ Apr 19 2010, 04:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like to think that we are all stuck in this cycle, in a single moment of cosmic time, on the cusp of something extraordinary-- the cycle will only be broken once we and the Tapestry are able to withstand and weather the extraordinary to come.
I am preparing for that extraordinary time when the world isn't threatened with Death and Destruction every 30 years or so. Oh Kethuru, you little pansy.
Unknown2010-04-19 01:57:07
Ok, here is Winnae's belief concerning the afterlife that I got an opportunity to go into towards the end of this short log.
QUOTE
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says to you, "Should you not be kowtowing before the Megalith, sir?"
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae will do so in a bit."
((Winnae does some stuff and comes back))
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Now Winnae will pray to the Megalith for guidance."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Please join him."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-l yzerios
He is an ordinary human. He is wearing a canvas backpack, a sturdy army-issue cloak, black combat boots, a blackened leather scale helmet, a blackened leather scale jacket, a pair of blackened leather scale leggings, and a rugged military backpack.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-kowtow megalith
You kneel before the Megalith of Doom and touch your head to the ground in worship.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "You can pray to Lord Fain too at the same time."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae does multitasking prayer."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
The acrid stench of burning ozone permeates the air as the great engines of industry and planar science march ever forward.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Me?"
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You nod your head at Yzerios.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Must I?"
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Do as Winnae does and ask the Megalith and earth for guidance."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios gives a pained sigh.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "As you say, sir."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae will give you a meat kabob if you do."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "It is not an order though."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios kneels before the Megalith of Doom and touches his head to the ground in worship.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You give a roasted snake medallion kabob to Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios consumes a roasted snake medallion kabob leisurely, seeming to enjoy every bite.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You nod your head emphatically.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Thanks for the.."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Ask the Megalith and the earth for strength and then clear your mind and wait."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Black smoke is released from the Megalith of Doom as it grows with power.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "I seek the strength to continue to serve Magnagora in the best of my capabilities."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios nods his head at Ardrak, Keeper of the Megalith, showing his acceptance.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Nono, you don't say it outloud."
5634h, 2536m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Comprehension flashes across Yzerios's face.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "You say it within your head and your heart."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "It is like meditation or prayer."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Showing that he understands, Yzerios nods his head slowly.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "And you do this every day, sir?"
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Yes, every single day. It is why Winnae is so puissant."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Right."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Just yesterday Lord Fain said, Winnae, you are very puissant, kill this elfen for me."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "A real live elfen?"
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Yes."
5634h, 2536m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios raises an eyebrow questioningly.
5634h, 2536m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae lopped his head off and has it mounted on his wall now."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
An Ur'Guard Grand Marshal blinks and shuffles about impatiently.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae said to the Megalith, give Winnae a chance to show his great strength, and he got it."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios nods his head emphatically.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "But.."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Exotic, heady fragrances of pungent cinnamon and myrrh tickle your senses, mixing with a slick, oily aroma.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "To all intents and purposes, the Megalith is still a rock."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Opening your mouth wide, you gape in wonder.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say to the Megalith of Doom, "He is sorry."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
"Eh?" Yzerios says curiously.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say to the Megalith of Doom, "He is young and does not know what he is saying."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios mutters discontentedly.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios gives you the once-over, eyeing you suspiciously.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Once you learn how to conglutinate, your spirit will be inside of the Megalith."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "What happens when we die, permanently? Winnae believes that our souls stay inside of the Megalith."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "This is why the Megalith gives us power, it has all of the ancient Magnagorans inside of it."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "That is rather depressing."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "I would rather be able to roam the land."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "No, being inside of the Megalith is great because you are one with its great power."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Yet you can do nothing with its great power."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "And you give your power to the other Magnagorans who will go out and smash things."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "So you are doing something."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "There is that."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Maybe some day all the souls will come out of the Megalith."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae will ask the Megalith about this."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You kneel before the Megalith of Doom and touch your head to the ground in worship.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Mechanical clankings rumble from deep beneath the ground, as though some great clockwork engine lay beneath your feet.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "I hope you receive a response."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Sir."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae will do so in a bit."
((Winnae does some stuff and comes back))
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Now Winnae will pray to the Megalith for guidance."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Please join him."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-l yzerios
He is an ordinary human. He is wearing a canvas backpack, a sturdy army-issue cloak, black combat boots, a blackened leather scale helmet, a blackened leather scale jacket, a pair of blackened leather scale leggings, and a rugged military backpack.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-kowtow megalith
You kneel before the Megalith of Doom and touch your head to the ground in worship.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "You can pray to Lord Fain too at the same time."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae does multitasking prayer."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
The acrid stench of burning ozone permeates the air as the great engines of industry and planar science march ever forward.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Me?"
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You nod your head at Yzerios.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Must I?"
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Do as Winnae does and ask the Megalith and earth for guidance."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios gives a pained sigh.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "As you say, sir."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae will give you a meat kabob if you do."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "It is not an order though."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios kneels before the Megalith of Doom and touches his head to the ground in worship.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You give a roasted snake medallion kabob to Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios consumes a roasted snake medallion kabob leisurely, seeming to enjoy every bite.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You nod your head emphatically.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Thanks for the.."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Ask the Megalith and the earth for strength and then clear your mind and wait."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Black smoke is released from the Megalith of Doom as it grows with power.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "I seek the strength to continue to serve Magnagora in the best of my capabilities."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios nods his head at Ardrak, Keeper of the Megalith, showing his acceptance.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Nono, you don't say it outloud."
5634h, 2536m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Comprehension flashes across Yzerios's face.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "You say it within your head and your heart."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "It is like meditation or prayer."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Showing that he understands, Yzerios nods his head slowly.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "And you do this every day, sir?"
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Yes, every single day. It is why Winnae is so puissant."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Right."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Just yesterday Lord Fain said, Winnae, you are very puissant, kill this elfen for me."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "A real live elfen?"
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Yes."
5634h, 2536m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios raises an eyebrow questioningly.
5634h, 2536m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae lopped his head off and has it mounted on his wall now."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
An Ur'Guard Grand Marshal blinks and shuffles about impatiently.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae said to the Megalith, give Winnae a chance to show his great strength, and he got it."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios nods his head emphatically.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "But.."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Exotic, heady fragrances of pungent cinnamon and myrrh tickle your senses, mixing with a slick, oily aroma.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "To all intents and purposes, the Megalith is still a rock."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Opening your mouth wide, you gape in wonder.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say to the Megalith of Doom, "He is sorry."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
"Eh?" Yzerios says curiously.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say to the Megalith of Doom, "He is young and does not know what he is saying."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios mutters discontentedly.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Yzerios gives you the once-over, eyeing you suspiciously.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Once you learn how to conglutinate, your spirit will be inside of the Megalith."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "What happens when we die, permanently? Winnae believes that our souls stay inside of the Megalith."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "This is why the Megalith gives us power, it has all of the ancient Magnagorans inside of it."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "That is rather depressing."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "I would rather be able to roam the land."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "No, being inside of the Megalith is great because you are one with its great power."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Yet you can do nothing with its great power."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "And you give your power to the other Magnagorans who will go out and smash things."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "So you are doing something."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "There is that."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Maybe some day all the souls will come out of the Megalith."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You say, "Winnae will ask the Megalith about this."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
You kneel before the Megalith of Doom and touch your head to the ground in worship.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Mechanical clankings rumble from deep beneath the ground, as though some great clockwork engine lay beneath your feet.
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "I hope you receive a response."
5634h, 2461m, 4737e, 10p ex-
Trooper Yzerios, Combat Trainee says, "Sir."
Everiine2010-04-19 04:53:12
Damn it, now I want to make a Mag alt just to hang out with Winnae.
ongaku2010-04-19 05:01:33
QUOTE (Everiine @ Apr 18 2010, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Damn it, now I want to make a Mag alt just to hang out with Winnae.
It makes me so happy Ongaku is Magnagoran so I can hang out with him. :3
Winnae should be proud of Gaku though, he's been kowtowing to the megalith anytime he's there. ^^
Back on topic, that was an interesting take on the perma-death thing.
Shulamit2010-04-19 06:41:09
Sent Winnae a letter with a scroll in it today. Talked to him about above topic, and how I should join Magnagora, since Hallifax will be destroyed. (but not my designs that are there) Have new nickname - Pebbles.
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