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ongaku2010-07-14 00:28:33
QUOTE (Noola @ Jul 13 2010, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah, but you see, if I ever won a fight, I'd prolly pee my pants so, maybe not. laugh.gif But that's me. I wasn't trying to say you're wrong, I was just commenting on the amazing difference of viewpoint between someone who wins enough fights that winning fights in any way becomes dull and someone who has never won one. biggrin.gif

I killed someone once and squealed IRL. >.> Good thing my fiance wasn't living here at the time or he would've given me a funny look.

Now I have TWO people on my KILLS list! biggrin.gif (Aside from that novice I helped reincarnate. <.<)
Unknown2010-07-14 00:38:37
As for the warrior vs. monk novices, well you automatically start off with three simultaneous attacks that hit fairly accurately whereas warriors have one attack if they stick with the newbie claymore or two attacks if their guild hands them a pair of free shortswords. Either way, accuracy and speed are the major differences but Warriors generally end up being much more tanky because they can wear fieldplate as soon as they can afford it. Also, Warriors get Vitality which is a nice defense.

But yes, Monks are easily the best bashers in the game even unarmed at at level 5. Warriors just tend to have more staying power and are a little more reliant on having great weapons and armor. Monks use Splendours/Greatrobes, which are easier to make than Fullplate.
Nienla2010-07-14 00:40:10
QUOTE (Denust @ Jul 13 2010, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for the warrior vs. monk novices, well you automatically start off with three simultaneous attacks that hit fairly accurately whereas warriors have one attack if they stick with the newbie claymore or two attacks if their guild hands them a pair of free shortswords. Either way, accuracy and speed are the major differences but Warriors generally end up being much more tanky because they can wear fieldplate as soon as they can afford it. Also, Warriors get Vitality which is a nice defense.

But yes, Monks are easily the best bashers in the game. Warriors just tend to have more staying power.


Warriors are the best bashers at endgame sans Destruction users. Monks arent bad, they're glass cannon bashers though.
Unknown2010-07-14 00:42:10
QUOTE (Denust @ Jul 13 2010, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for the warrior vs. monk novices, well you automatically start off with three simultaneous attacks that hit fairly accurately whereas warriors have one attack if they stick with the newbie claymore or two attacks if their guild hands them a pair of free shortswords. Either way, accuracy and speed are the major differences but Warriors generally end up being much more tanky because they can wear fieldplate as soon as they can afford it. Also, Warriors get Vitality which is a nice defense.

But yes, Monks are easily the best bashers in the game even unarmed at at level 5. Warriors just tend to have more staying power and are a little more reliant on having great weapons and armor. Monks use Splendours/Greatrobes, which are easier to make than Fullplate.


Its not a huge deal, I am just shocked. With bards, guardians, mages, and monks, I can tear through all of Newton and most of Lolliprin with 1 attack per mob. Now my warrior takes 2 for almost all, and I miss about half the time.

I'm sure it'll get better once I no longer have shortswords, but dayum.
Unknown2010-07-14 00:43:09
QUOTE (Nienla @ Jul 13 2010, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Monks arent bad, they're glass cannon bashers though.


Tell me about it. Also, I lament not having my instakill. All I can do is spam hemiplegy and damage kill people without systems.
EDIT: Not that I'm doing anything more than idling in my guildhall or at the Pool of Stars. =/

Also, Treant spazzed out on me with salve cures and I don't know why. I get that masked afflictions are tricky but I got the "you hobble " message a few times, checked DIAG, and still had to manually apply mending. I can't get the auto-sip to work either, and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. Oh well.
Rika2010-07-14 00:55:08
QUOTE (Mousey @ Jul 14 2010, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its not a huge deal, I am just shocked. With bards, guardians, mages, and monks, I can tear through all of Newton and most of Lolliprin with 1 attack per mob. Now my warrior takes 2 for almost all, and I miss about half the time.

I'm sure it'll get better once I no longer have shortswords, but dayum.


Do you mean it takes you two swings with shortswords to kill something? Considering you can use both in one balance, that sounds about right.
Unknown2010-07-14 00:59:51
QUOTE (rika @ Jul 13 2010, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you mean it takes you two swings with shortswords to kill something? Considering you can use both in one balance, that sounds about right.


Accuracy is the major problem with newbie warriors. I can hit pretty reliably, but there are times when I'm standing there swinging and hitting air. I used to think, for whatever reason, that COMBATSTYLE CONCENTRATED improved accuracy but I found out that it only increases wounding. sad.gif

On that note, does picking up a spec improve accuracy at hitting mobs? The AB file isn't very helpful regarding that and since I've got 0 lessons in BladeMaster right now, I might stick with my newbie claymore and go PureBlade for a while. (GAH! I can't decide what spec to pick! D: )
Rael2010-07-14 01:03:56
QUOTE (Denust @ Jul 13 2010, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On that note, does picking up a spec improve accuracy at hitting mobs? The AB file isn't very helpful regarding that and since I've got 0 lessons in BladeMaster right now, I might stick with my newbie claymore and go PureBlade for a while. (GAH! I can't decide what spec to pick! D: )


Yep. You can apply an oil and sink more lessons into your weapon spec to improve accuracy. Lessons/trans knighthood makes a really big difference.
Unknown2010-07-14 01:05:58
QUOTE (Denust @ Jul 14 2010, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Accuracy is the major problem with newbie warriors. I can hit pretty reliably, but there are times when I'm standing there swinging and hitting air. I used to think, for whatever reason, that COMBATSTYLE CONCENTRATED improved accuracy but I found out that it only increases wounding. sad.gif

On that note, does picking up a spec improve accuracy at hitting mobs? The AB file isn't very helpful regarding that and since I've got 0 lessons in BladeMaster right now, I might stick with my newbie claymore and go PureBlade for a while. (GAH! I can't decide what spec to pick! D: )


Newbie claymore is bad.

Also, I remember Veyrzhul telling me that at Transcendant Pureblade, he still felt bashing with hammers was faster than using his katana.
Unknown2010-07-14 01:06:03
QUOTE (rika @ Jul 13 2010, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you mean it takes you two swings with shortswords to kill something? Considering you can use both in one balance, that sounds about right.


No, I mean it takes 2 sets of swings.
Rika2010-07-14 01:09:16
What race are you? I never had any problems.
Ixion2010-07-14 01:09:36
QUOTE (Solanis @ Jul 13 2010, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Newbie claymore is bad.

Also, I remember Veyrzhul telling me that at Transcendant Pureblade, he still felt bashing with hammers was faster than using his katana.


Correct, same with AL and rapiers, etc etc. 1h weaps >> 2h weaps for hunting.
Unknown2010-07-14 01:12:58
QUOTE (Solanis @ Jul 13 2010, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Newbie claymore is bad.

Also, I remember Veyrzhul telling me that at Transcendant Pureblade, he still felt bashing with hammers was faster than using his katana.


Speed only counts for half on two-handers, doesn't it? So, if I remember correctly, a pair of 280 speed rapiers/hammers would be faster than a klangaxe/katana and You get more crits out of two weapons than one. Corrected by Ixion.

EDIT: Newbie claymore is free and it's got nine months left on it, even if it's only got 120 speed! laugh.gif I've got to stick with it because I never learned how to bash lots of gold, and I can't afford to get a decent weapon (or weapons) forged for me. I can't even make up my mind on spec! If there were a dual 1-h Axe spec or a halberd/polearm spec, I would probably go for either one.

EDIT 2: Then I can use the bad joke, "Guisarmed and dangerous!" as a motto!
Ixion2010-07-14 01:18:33
QUOTE (Denust @ Jul 13 2010, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Speed only counts for half on two-handers, doesn't it? So, if I remember correctly, a pair of 280 speed rapiers/hammers would be faster than a klangaxe/katana and you get more crits out of two weapons than one.

EDIT: Newbie claymore is free and it's got nine months left on it, even if it's only got 120 speed! laugh.gif I've got to stick with it because I never learned how to bash lots of gold, and I can't afford to get a decent weapon (or weapons) forged for me. I can't even make up my mind on spec! If there were a dual 1-h Axe spec or a halberd/polearm spec, I would probably go for either one.


No, speed is speed. Period.

Crits are what matters, though, yes.
Everiine2010-07-14 01:40:49
QUOTE (Denust @ Jul 13 2010, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
EDIT: Newbie claymore is free and it's got nine months left on it, even if it's only got 120 speed! laugh.gif I've got to stick with it because I never learned how to bash lots of gold, and I can't afford to get a decent weapon (or weapons) forged for me. I can't even make up my mind on spec! If there were a dual 1-h Axe spec or a halberd/polearm spec, I would probably go for either one.

You must not have read the part in CGHELP BRAVES that tells you there are shortswords available for free in the Serenguard Lodge for you to take tongue.gif .

My miss rate has remained steady at right around 5% since at least when I got trans Blademaster. So the more lessons you put in, the less you are going to miss. And it always looks like you miss more than you really do.
Unknown2010-07-14 01:55:06
QUOTE (Everiine @ Jul 13 2010, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You must not have read the part in CGHELP BRAVES that tells you there are shortswords available for free in the Serenguard Lodge for you to take tongue.gif .


I did read it, but at the time I did not know that precision only affected wounding and not chance-to-hit! I saw 280-ish precision on my claymore and less than 100 on the shortswords, so I stuck with the claymore until I found out that I'd been wrong. But now, I've temporarily gone Bonecrusher and forged a cheap pair of basic clubs (yay for 0 lessons in Forging?) with better speed stats than the shortswords... I think. I need to go back and weaponprobe them now. hypnotised.gif

My clubs:
CODE
It is a one-handed weapon.
Damage: 62  Precision: 77  Speed: 152
A simple iron club has no poisons or magical effects on it.

It is a one-handed weapon.
Damage: 57  Precision: 90  Speed: 156
A spiked orcish club has no poisons or magical effects on it.


EDIT: Yeah, the fastest shortsword has 133 speed. Meh, probably not low enough to make any difference in balance times than with the clubs I've got. I'll decide on weapons once I can figure out what spec I want to play! And I don't mind learning through a little trial-and-error. This is probably an error, but I've learned that now. laugh.gif
ongaku2010-07-14 02:06:15
QUOTE (Kante @ Jul 13 2010, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ohyeah.gif

Tyng, be nice to the newbies. mad.gif Or Gaku will bop you for no good reason. happy.gif
Arath2010-07-14 02:17:50
Arath got to have a long chat with his mentor. He is a much better mentor now. I just hope it sticks.
Casilu2010-07-14 07:08:35
I keep reading everything I type in a British accent.
Lendren2010-07-14 10:28:39
QUOTE (Denust @ Jul 14 2010, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In hindsight, I'm a little grateful for this. Mage & Guardian guilds usually have fairly strong numbers, whereas Bards (except for the Spiritsingers) tend to flux between "kind of active" and "still hanging in there". I can't imagine needing a Cantor to enchant something for me, considering I only see four ever (Mirai, Syridean, Shric, and that one newbie girl whose name I can't remember. Kheslyn?) and I don't know how many of them even took up Enchanting.

That's kind of a chicken-and-egg problem though, as if bard skills were better that might help make more people take them. But I also agree that we don't want to have a lot more necessities.