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by Eventru

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Aicuthi2010-07-15 23:43:27
QUOTE (Ditzy Scribe @ Jul 15 2010, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Nekotai would never worship Illith. For one, they only helped the Illithoid because the Kephera attacked them. For two, they don't worship a Soulless God like Magnagora pretty much does. I don't get it.. first you say that Nekotai and Ninjakari are too much alike.. but then to prove your point.. you give an example of how they are fundamentally different?



When did I say they're too much alike? I said that Ninjakari(ICly in the game world as it stands, not in terms of canon) feels disconnected to Magnagora and that it would fit in better with Glomdoring/Nocht. Thanks for putting words in my mouth though.
Unknown2010-07-15 23:46:03
QUOTE (Aicuthi @ Jul 15 2010, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not really. The illithoid taught Glomdoring Nekotai. Do the Nekotai revere Illith as much as Ninjakari? Probably not. Just something to think about.



Nekotai take most of their teachings from Grandmother Scorpion. I don't think Illith plays much of a role in Nekotai RP beyond the Illithoid teaching 'em Kata and whatnot.
Unknown2010-07-15 23:47:18
QUOTE (Aicuthi @ Jul 15 2010, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When did I say they're too much alike? I said that Ninjakari(ICly in the game world as it stands, not in terms of canon) feels disconnected to Magnagora and that it would fit in better with Glomdoring/Nocht. Thanks for putting words in my mouth though.


You're welcome. Be more clear when complaining and I might not have to!

You're complaining that Ninjakari fit with Glomdoring in your opinion. That sounds like you're comparing them to the Nekotai, who are the Glomdoring guild.
Aicuthi2010-07-16 00:02:52
QUOTE (Ditzy Scribe @ Jul 15 2010, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're welcome. Be more clear when complaining and I might not have to!

You're complaining that Ninjakari fit with Glomdoring in your opinion. That sounds like you're comparing them to the Nekotai, who are the Glomdoring guild.


That was more of a left-handed comment to explain why I don't think it really clicks with Magnagora. I don't want the Ninjakari to be Nekotai, nor do I think they're similar. Worshipping Illith is good and all, but there isn't much binding the guild to it's org aside from a flavor skill.
Unknown2010-07-16 00:42:30
QUOTE (Aicuthi @ Jul 15 2010, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That was more of a left-handed comment to explain why I don't think it really clicks with Magnagora. I don't want the Ninjakari to be Nekotai, nor do I think they're similar. Worshipping Illith is good and all, but there isn't much binding the guild to it's org aside from a flavor skill.


This is somewhat true of monk guilds in general, from what I understand. I'm not a monk myself, mind you... so I am by no means an authority on such things, but even just recently you can see many people on the forum reinforcing this.

I keep toying with the idea of a Krokani Nekotai. hmmm
Eventru2010-07-16 00:42:57
I don't think worshiping a Soulless God is a particularly grand idea. I mean, the general goal of worshiping an Unnameable Horror/Eldritch Abomination is to release it, and everyone knows that's a pretty nihilistic view (while the illithoid want to release Illith's other half, their goal isn't just 'release Illith, watch chaos' - it's 'Release Illith, get eaten and become a part of Her once more').

Not to say anyone is!
Aicuthi2010-07-16 00:49:29
QUOTE (Eventru @ Jul 16 2010, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think worshiping a Soulless God is a particularly grand idea. I mean, the general goal of worshiping an Unnameable Horror/Eldritch Abomination is to release it, and everyone knows that's a pretty nihilistic view (while the illithoid want to release Illith's other half, their goal isn't just 'release Illith, watch chaos' - it's 'Release Illith, get eaten and become a part of Her once more').

Not to say anyone is!


I'd agree. The only issue I have centralizing worship around Illith is that she isn't a player God. You can't join her Order, get favoured, build a relationship, become an Avatar. It's just niche RP. Guilds have patrons for a reason, and I think it's important they become incorporated into the lore and function of each one(within certain boundaries). Not everyone in Ninjakari is an illithoid anyways.
Unknown2010-07-16 00:55:08
QUOTE (Aicuthi @ Jul 15 2010, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd agree. The only issue I have centralizing worship around Illith is that she isn't a player God. You can't join her Order, get favoured, build a relationship, become an Avatar. It's just niche RP. Guilds have patrons for a reason, and I think it's important they become incorporated into the lore and function of each one(within certain boundaries). Not everyone in Ninjakari is an illithoid anyways.


Whoa, hold the phone.

You mean after all this time, no player has started a clan/cult of Illith worshippers with ranks and teachings and progressions tasks and stuff?
Arath2010-07-16 01:00:46
The basic advancement requirements for Templars is pretty sick on the wallet. Especially rank four. Looks like I'll be GR1 for a looong time.
Aicuthi2010-07-16 01:02:51
QUOTE (Demetrios @ Jul 16 2010, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whoa, hold the phone.

You mean after all this time, no player has started a clan/cult of Illith worshippers with ranks and teachings and progressions tasks and stuff?


Scions of Illith would be it. I'm not part of the clan so I wouldn't know.
Unknown2010-07-16 01:10:15
QUOTE (Eventru @ Jul 15 2010, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think worshiping a Soulless God is a particularly grand idea. I mean, the general goal of worshiping an Unnameable Horror/Eldritch Abomination is to release it, and everyone knows that's a pretty nihilistic view (while the illithoid want to release Illith's other half, their goal isn't just 'release Illith, watch chaos' - it's 'Release Illith, get eaten and become a part of Her once more').

Not to say anyone is!


Psshh.... Nothing wrong ever happened with worshipping Cthulhu...
Diamondais2010-07-16 01:43:09
QUOTE (Arath @ Jul 15 2010, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The basic advancement requirements for Templars is pretty sick on the wallet. Especially rank four. Looks like I'll be GR1 for a looong time.

People tell me they're too easy! laugh.gif

edit: theyre in a bit of a review. or you could do hghelp advancement
Unknown2010-07-16 01:52:00
QUOTE (demonnic @ Jul 15 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I keep toying with the idea of a Krokani Nekotai. hmmm


It works. Most people don't like being one-eyed monsters, but if the idea appeals to you, by all means go ahead.

On a tangent, I wonder how much illusion piercing a harmonic krokani monk would have with ooshuti up, and arts transed. chin.gif
Arath2010-07-16 01:52:37
Eh, they're probably easy to those who are alts, and already know where to hunt to get gold, or who are transfers from other guilds and already have a lot of lessons, or are just plain rich and can afford to freely buy lessons and credits OOCly. I'm none of the above, so even just getting the gold for curatives is overwhelming. Transing a guild skill? I don't see me doing that any time soon, so my best bet at eventually getting GR4 is the Epic Quest. If only it wasn't constantly snatched up before me, leaving me with only three of five preliminary lines... but that's a different matter entirely.
Noola2010-07-16 01:55:37
QUOTE (Arath @ Jul 15 2010, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh, they're probably easy to those who are alts, and already know where to hunt to get gold, or who are transfers from other guilds and already have a lot of lessons, or are just plain rich and can afford to freely buy lessons and credits OOCly. I'm none of the above, so even just getting the gold for curatives is overwhelming. Transing a guild skill? I don't see me doing that any time soon, so my best bet at eventually getting GR4 is the Epic Quest. If only it wasn't constantly snatched up before me, leaving me with only three of five preliminary lines... but that's a different matter entirely.



Transing a skill is a guildrank requirement? Wow.
Diamondais2010-07-16 02:00:44
QUOTE (Noola @ Jul 15 2010, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Transing a skill is a guildrank requirement? Wow.

It's optional, and it's in review to make it more available. From the beginning I was told it was too easy, so I rolled with it. I'm learning.
Xavius2010-07-16 02:03:24
QUOTE (Noola @ Jul 15 2010, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Transing a skill is a guildrank requirement? Wow.

It's not. It's one of those things on a list that get you out of having to do other requirements.

Here's the GHELP in question:

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Concerning Elective Tasks that may be chosen; some of these may be
repeated, though not all. Those that can be repeated will be marked with
a '+'. Repeated means that you may use them in another ranking. For
spars, have your partner message the interviewer. For goods donations,
the amount must be confirmed with an interviewer first.
The following may perform interviews: Secretaries, Guild Master, Guild
Administrator, Guild Champion.

Keep in mind, only one of your Rankings may be done per Weave. Also of
note, since most members will begin this at Guild Rank One - Attendant
of the Pyramid, the Ranking names are named for the second, third and
fourth Guild Ranks.

Ranking One - Seeker of Gnosis:
Do all mandatory tasks, plus one (1) elective task:

Mandatory tasks:
-A full set of curatives (50 of each herb at least) with at least 5
healing, 3 mana and 2 mending vials
-Discuss how the Templar guild was founded in modern times
-Master Knighthood and Rituals/Hunting and select your specializations

Elective tasks:
-Design something for the guild (any trade item that allows designs not
just forging) +
-Write a book on a scholarly subject+
-Reach Master in Athletics
-Gain the 50th circle of experience
-Be able to survive and lead your interviewer to the Astral Plane
-Donate x amount of goods from your trade to the guild shop
-Attain Teleport in Planar
-Win One (1) spar in an arena (have your partner message the
interviewer)
-Add 200 amount of power to the Eternal Flame within three weaves


Ranking Two - Adherent of the Hidden Temple:
Do all mandatory tasks, plus three electives:

Mandatory tasks:
-Gain plate mail and a great helm

Elective tasks:
-Design a guild rite+
-Donate x amount of goods from your trade to the guild shop
-Attain Conglutination in Planar
-Attain Strength in Athletics
-Win Two (2) spars in an arena
-Become a Mentor for a Protege
-Attain the 70th circle of experience
-Add 400 amount of power to the Eternal Flame within three weaves

Ranking Three - Knight of the Rear Guard:
Do all mandatory tasks, plus three electives:

Mandatory tasks:
-Gain master weapons for your weapon specialization

Elective tasks:
-Transcend either Paradigmatics or Tracking
-Transcend your chosen weapon specialization
-Attain Surge in Athletics
-Win Three (3) spars in an arena
-Attain Nexus in Planar
-Attain the 80th circle of experience
-Add 1000 amount of power to the Eternal Flame within five weaves


GR1 -> GR3 are pretty trivial. GR3 -> GR4 isn't, but that's the end of the pre-written path and qualifies you for nifty things like knighting and undersec.

EDIT: Oh, hey, ninja.
Noola2010-07-16 02:06:13
Oh, well, that's more reasonable than what it sounded like! laugh.gif

It is expensive, but then, I've understood that warrior archetypes are supposed to be expensive, so there's prolly no getting away from that.
Unknown2010-07-16 02:10:20
Ok, what the frack.

So, I had to log out earlier and forgot to put my pony in the stable. It had a full food bag and was like, maybe 10 rooms from the stable. And it was like 90% to level 2.

I log back in a few hours later to two messages. One is that its starving and is trying to go back to the stable. And a second that says it died permanently.

Now.. what is the purpose of it even trying to go back to the stable if it can't even make it like 10 rooms? And why doesn't a feedbag last at least an IRL day when its full?

Argh. That such an annoying loss of like 8,000 gold. And I miss my pony. sad.gif
Lehki2010-07-16 02:13:07
QUOTE (Aicuthi @ Jul 15 2010, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd agree. The only issue I have centralizing worship around Illith is that she isn't a player God. You can't join her Order, get favoured, build a relationship, become an Avatar. It's just niche RP.

Man I would love too see an actual order for a Soulless god. Crazen has a history of making use of mortals as servants (see Kyrden Valik) and Illith empowers the Illithoids when she can so it wouldn't be a completely unprecedented thing.

Though really I think it probably wouldn't work since it would need to be extremely secretive or end up getting ostracized by pretty much everybody, and god knows nobody can keep secrets here. As well, any real interaction with them would probably be limited to alien voices whispering in your head, telling you to kill everybody and to feed them.

Unless maybe somebody like Nemach actually managed to survive all this time. suspicious.gif