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Xenthos2010-07-24 00:12:34
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Jul 23 2010, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And considering everyone in the Trinity clan knows, '
dont kill Marani, she's put up by Talan to keep Mag from doing their epic'. . . yeah.

Except that she wasn't put up by Talan. Either of these recent times.

So, no. tongue.gif
Sylphas2010-07-24 00:14:29
QUOTE (Noola @ Jul 23 2010, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm confused why people are being so mean as to try to block people from doing their epic quest just for the fact that they're trying to do their epic quest.

That's not cool. sad.gif


Well, orgbixes are one of the best raiding tools you can have, so I can sort of understand it. It's still mean, though.
Thul2010-07-24 00:18:04
It's mean, it's guaranteed to frustrate people, you can be completely passive aggressive about it with little to no penalty, it's vaguely justifiable IC and OOC, and at the end of the day, we are all horrible people.
Talan2010-07-24 00:18:08
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Jul 23 2010, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And considering everyone in the Trinity clan knows, '
dont kill Marani, she's put up by Talan to keep Mag from doing their epic'. . . yeah.

I stopped raising her when Llandros was doing his epic quest, and haven't completed the quest since.

Also, I can have arpees too you know. Sure, when Celest asks for help killing Marani, we will say, "No no, it's better she stay alive, because Magnagora gets no more strong arms,"... but that's only because, "No no, Talan is convinced despite an astounding lack of evidence that Shallamurine priestesses are blessed by Mother Night and should be protected," wouldn't work as well as a compelling argument.
Jack2010-07-24 00:20:24
QUOTE (Noola @ Jul 24 2010, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm confused why people are being so mean as to try to block people from doing their epic quest just for the fact that they're trying to do their epic quest.

That's not cool. sad.gif

"People suck, friend! Every last one of them! Never forget that!"
Saran2010-07-24 00:43:00
QUOTE (Everiine @ Jul 24 2010, 08:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh, yeah, to reiterate the point-- if you are going to try and make a truce with the Serenwilde commune, you need to actually talk to someone in charge. "But I told and we agreed, that's a truce!" really doesn't cut it. If no one else knows, we can't very well adhere to it.


Yeah... this is the most confusing part.

Seriously Nienla, I mean... the truce was never going to last. Did you just declare it with, effectively, some random seren so you could come here later and complain that serenwilde broke it?

You did didn't you?

Naughty nono.gif

harhar1.gif
Unknown2010-07-24 00:46:12
QUOTE (Saran @ Jul 24 2010, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah... this is the most confusing part.

Seriously Nienla, I mean... the truce was never going to last. Did you just declare it with, effectively, some random seren so you could come here later and complain that serenwilde broke it?

You did didn't you?

Naughty nono.gif

harhar1.gif


It was only supposed to be a very temporary truce.
Eventru2010-07-24 00:51:01
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jul 23 2010, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't believe that Nienla outed you on the forums.

Further, there is no rule against 'outing' an alt in other mediums aside from the forum; nor do I feel there should be, especially if said alt is being a pita.

Now, the person who did mention it here did break a rule, to which you could have just reported the post and had it removed with almost nobody getting it. Instead you decided to make a huge deal out of it, and now everybody knows.


Outting people's alts is generally considered tasteless, tacky and a taboo.

Certainly, if you do it and repercussions come your way, we won't be particularly sympathetic. Metagaming is as metagaming does, as they say. (I say this knowing nothing about the actual topic being discussed)
Xenthos2010-07-24 00:56:34
QUOTE (Eventru @ Jul 23 2010, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Outting people's alts is generally considered tasteless, tacky and a taboo.

Certainly, if you do it and repercussions come your way, we won't be particularly sympathetic. Metagaming is as metagaming does, as they say. (I say this knowing nothing about the actual topic being discussed)

It's taboo on the forums as per forum rules.

I know a few alts of people who play the alts as their own individual characters, who I'm not going to out. They do their own thing, don't metagame, and life is good. I've no qualms with it in other mediums when the alt is being jerk though, especially in a way that seems semi-OOC.

Simply outing an alt isn't even metagaming. Treating the person's characters differently would be, but simply knowing does not necessarily mean that metagaming will be occurring (though you could argue that there's a good chance of it, it's not an assured thing by any means).
Shaddus2010-07-24 00:58:15
@ Solanis:


Did you let anyone know, like the SEG or the MC?
Unknown2010-07-24 01:03:06
QUOTE (Thul @ Jul 24 2010, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... at the end of the day, we are all horrible people.


*returning from commercial break entry music*

Yes folks, you heard it here from the Golden Microphone of the B.I.L.E. Network. Thul from Glomdoring has just said what we've all known to be true for the past decade. All Gloms are terrible, horrible people. Of course, the bias, Glom-controlled-Aethermedia would tell you otherwise, but there it is, from the rockeater's mouth.


What's that Snerkly?

No I don't think that's taken out of context. I mean, how much more plain of day do you want it?

Folks, we've got to take a freedom break here at the Mush Muckberg show. Back in a few.
Shaddus2010-07-24 01:06:29
@ xenthos


Exactly what part of what happened is semi ooc? i'm sitting at the Tree learning Discernment. Someone (Sadie, I think) says over SEG that ~Siam is going after the centaurs~. I ask what we can do, and am told that I can kill the Hag to stop him. I do so, am killed/vitae, and finish the job.


Explain what exactly I did wrong?
Xenthos2010-07-24 01:09:38
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Jul 23 2010, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ xenthos


Exactly what part of what happened is semi ooc? i'm sitting at the Tree learning Discernment. Someone (Sadie, I think) says over SEG that ~Siam is going after the centaurs~. I ask what we can do, and am told that I can kill the Hag to stop him. I do so, am killed/vitae, and finish the job.


Explain what exactly I did wrong?

1) On an OOC level, you know that Avenger exists and you know that even with the Gloms there they're not going to stop you (the normal character at that might / age is not going to know the full details of this)
2) Continuing that, kept going even after vitaeing now that you had Avenger status instead of skedaddling (again, the mark of a more established character on an OOC level)
3) This character has never done anything to Glom before (was not an enemy), so charging in alone against a pile of Gloms is already kind of suspect on an IC level.

Sure, you can argue any of these points, but these are why I would call it semi-OOC. Not actually OOC, but it's using advanced knowledge of the mechanics that you (the player) have gleaned from a long time in Lusternia and are putting to use to deal with "the enemy".
Lehki2010-07-24 01:17:02
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jul 23 2010, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1) On an OOC level, you know that Avenger exists and you know that even with the Gloms there they're not going to stop you (the normal character at that might / age is not going to know the full details of this)
2) Continuing that, kept going even after vitaeing now that you had Avenger status instead of skedaddling (again, the mark of a more established character on an OOC level)
3) This character has never done anything to Glom before (was not an enemy), so charging in alone against a pile of Gloms is already kind of suspect on an IC level.

Sure, you can argue any of these points, but these are why I would call it semi-OOC. Not actually OOC, but it's using advanced knowledge of the mechanics that you (the player) have gleaned from a long time in Lusternia and are putting to use to deal with "the enemy".


Unless I'm looking at the wrong one, the alt is 76 years old, lvl 61, and 25% of my might when I'm 3-4 for skills from omni-trans. I don't see how 1 or 2 make any sense, And 3 is flimsy at best without those.
Xenthos2010-07-24 01:20:15
QUOTE (Lehki @ Jul 23 2010, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unless I'm looking at the wrong one, the alt is 76 years old, lvl 61, and 25% of my might when I'm 3-4 for skills from omni-trans. I don't see how 1 or 2 make any sense. And 3 is flimsy at best.

Honestly, I haven't actually looked at the character's honours. Still haven't, as I don't particularly care; I'm more going on that this character does absolutely nothing up until this point. Though you are right that would make at least some of a difference, from my end, I'm still seeing it as at least a bit suspect.

Especially since HELP SECONDS says that people who are playing multiple characters are supposed to be held to a higher standard of roleplaying.

Just from my end, this isn't a "higher standard". As I said, it can be argued. happy.gif

Edit: All of which just adds up to mean that I personally have no issue with the outing of this alt in areas where it is not against the rules.
Unknown2010-07-24 01:23:46
Lehki2010-07-24 01:30:24
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jul 23 2010, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've learned by now to never even bother replying more then once to Xenthos, psh.
Xenthos2010-07-24 01:32:04
QUOTE (Lehki @ Jul 23 2010, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've learned by now to never even bother replying more then once to Xenthos, psh.

You do not wish to be the armoured creature on the right?

But it is immune to the wielded weapons...

Weak only to boiling water. And crackers. Oh, the horrors.
Lehki2010-07-24 01:36:14
People seriously need to stop confusing me with Lekius already. I bet even when I finally convince him to change his name they'd still keep mixing us up.
Shaddus2010-07-24 01:54:44
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Jul 21 2010, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hrm. I have three Seren alts I could bring out of retirement in order to work on Seren. Should it be my shofangi, my moondancer, or my spiritsinger?




QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jul 23 2010, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1) On an OOC level, you know that Avenger exists and you know that even with the Gloms there they're not going to stop you (the normal character at that might / age is not going to know the full details of this)

2) Continuing that, kept going even after vitaeing now that you had Avenger status instead of skedaddling (again, the mark of a more established character on an OOC level)
3) This character has never done anything to Glom before (was not an enemy), so charging in alone against a pile of Gloms is already kind of suspect on an IC level.

Sure, you can argue any of these points, but these are why I would call it semi-OOC. Not actually OOC, but it's using advanced knowledge of the mechanics that you (the player) have gleaned from a long time in Lusternia and are putting to use to deal with "the enemy".

QUOTE
Tyrnae ri'Tou, Adherent of the Crone (Female Kephera).
She is 76 years old, having been born on the 3rd of Vestian, 194 years after the Coming of Estarra.
She is ranked 845th in Lusternia.
She is an extremely credible character.
She is a Valleyrunner in the Fellowship of Explorers.
She is a graduate of the Ancestral Glade of the Moonharts.
She is a member of the clan called 'The Wiccans of the Wilde.'
She is considered to be approximately 105% of your might.
She is not currently active in any family.
See HONOURS FULL TYRNAE to view her 1 special honours.

Being the branch of Moondancers interested in fighting, of course.

QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jul 23 2010, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly, I haven't actually looked at the character's honours. Still haven't, as I don't particularly care; I'm more going on that this character does absolutely nothing up until this point. Though you are right that would make at least some of a difference, from my end, I'm still seeing it as at least a bit suspect.

Especially since HELP SECONDS says that people who are playing multiple characters are supposed to be held to a higher standard of roleplaying.

Just from my end, this isn't a "higher standard". As I said, it can be argued. happy.gif

Edit: All of which just adds up to mean that I personally have no issue with the outing of this alt in areas where it is not against the rules.




As I said days ago and much earlier, I had decided to start playing one of my Seren alts, because I have a thing for the underdog. Last night when I woke up I bought credits, it being payday. I brought her from basic skills to Tritrans before I went to bed at 4am-ish my time. I woke up at 9 my time or so, and continued learning, because I wanted to get better at wiccan combat, which included buying a crapload of vials, enchantments, herbs, and so on. So I was trying to get into more combat, and this popped up. Wanting to try out my new skills (including Moonburst, wheee!) I decided to help the commune by trying to slow down Siam, a commune enemy. Should I have.... A) Held back because OOC I realize I haven't been awake that long, or cool.gif tried to help, because IC I realize a commune enemy is trying to do something which might hurt Seren in the long run.


I didn't log onto a Glom alt and see, "Oh, Siam is trying for his epic, I should lulzscrew with him". I was already on the character and trying to figure out ways of getting better at what I do. Tyrnae wasn't enemied to Glom because I didn't have very good skills at the time (Aura in Moon, Brownie in Wicca, Aurashift in Healing. Whoop. ) and I mostly defended or healed people.

So basically what you're saying is that I wasn't supposed to act like I knew what I was doing?