Regarding sparring other people who will then have access to the lines:
(Illuminati): Seraku says, "Illuminati are supposed to be secretive. We dont just go around letting people know how to cure against our abilities."

I could have quoted so many more, but I'm glad we have people like Shuyin who just post the lines.

Can you honestly say on an IC level that your character knew what he was doing? Every single step of the way?

Especially, as you say, he had been "in retirement" for all that time and had not even had skills.

I am doubtful.

Anyway. This is tweets, not Rants.



Siam, I'm sorry I slowed down your quest. I didn't realize it would take ten hours to redo, I asked and they said it would only take 1 hour for Gromagh to return. Be that as it may, nothing I did was OOC, nor against any rules. I hope you get your fingerblade soon.

Change of subject time!!

You're missing the entire point of the conversation, involving a guild member being paid to give lines to Hallifaxians that are 99% sure to turn around and raid us a few years later.

Ahahaha, gg.

I hate people who do that.

What's great is when people with access to that skillset say 'WELL YOU JUST DONT KNOW WHAT OUR SKILLS DO, SO YOU CANT COMMENT ON THEM'

Edit: What? Giving lines to your enemy who is just going to raid you a few years later? That's a retarded argument, by that logic, you shouldn't have helped anyone but yourselves, since they 'might' raid you a few years later.

No, but considering she had spent basically 3-4 IC days learning them, I'm somewhat sure she could figure out how to SIP VITAE, MOONBURST HAG, SIP HEALING, HEAL ME.

They're going to get it one way or another (hint: Shuyin has an entire thread for these lines), so what is the issue? The "secrecy" thing is nothing more than a convenient excuse for people to be lame about accessibility to system optimising.

They WILL raid us a few years later, because they've already raided.

I'm not arguing this as 'giving lines is bad' (we have your thread for that anyways) - it's more the 'Hey, I'm a city enemy - here's gold, let me bribe you, come beat on me in the arena even though you aren't supposed to even associate with me.' shtick.

Sharing lines for the sake of the game community is an entirely OOC concept. That was their guild channel.

EDIT: Although looking at it again, the way he stated seems kind of OOCish, but still.

Where do you think he gets the lines? Reading your post you'd think it was some guild conspiracy to keep things secret, but they were willingly handed over on the first day. I helped with the para lines myself when Templar came out.

Because hiding lines is just another layer of obnoxious.

On the subject of metagaming, it's wonderful to wake up and see new faces in Jhagar. You know, noobs in the griefing clan that are in Gaudi guilds.

It's not a guild conspiracy, it's just a few people being lame about keeping their lines. I'm not complaining about the guild, but I'm just clumping them all together because I don't think you'd want names. But hey, if you want me to give the names out, that's fine with me.

Good lord, this isn't a conspiracy to keep lines. As Akui said, they're out on day one.

Helping Hallifaxian raiders more reliably raid us in the future? Hello? Does this sound wrong to anyone?

I feel like I haven't been righteously indignant enough today.

P.S. I did run into a bit of trouble when I asked for lines the first time around, but I just asked more than the required amount of people under the logic that someone -has- to be cool enough to help a brother out.

I wasn't even in the guild the first day it came out. :|

Read above post. I'm not accusing the guild of any conspiracy. I know they were released on day one, hence my comment about being glad we have someone like Shuyin to do it.

Edit: lol. Now Iytha is going to get in trouble.

How about the basics, like: "Where is Gromagh?" "Where is Hifarae?" "Why are they killing me?" "Do I want to die?" "Should I charge in against a pile of Gloms alone?" etc. Especially with a character that hasn't been seen in forever.

You know, the basic clueless newbie kind of thing.

Uh.. she was GR3, CR2 from defending against raids, hunted in Hifarae for most of her circles. I also have the common sense to know that if I'm trying to stop someone who is enemied to my commune, they may hurt me.


She's circle 60 or so, been in combat. Sleeping/inactivity doesn't put you back in Newton, sorry. We're not talking about a noob I played for ten minutes and got bored, we're talking about someone I played pretty often for about a month.

Edit: If it makes you feel any better, I almost rp'd being shocked at Magnagorans wandering around the forest, and Hallifax/Gaudiguch being out. I didn't, so you should probably request that she be shrubbed for breaking Lusternia.

Why don't you go log on your main instead of snooping around on an alt? The guild has a theme of secrecy and I'm being supportive of another leader. This isn't about posting lines, really, but I'm using that reason to hammer home the theme IC - it's about somebody helping an enemy of the city and a Hallifaxian by providing knowledge of, essentially, the guild's core magic.

Are you really argueing that everybody that plays alts, if they don't act like clueless noobs until they've met whatever requirements in play time/level/might/etc, pretty much deserves to have whoever their main is exposed?