BadLuck Balance Stealing

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Diamondais2010-05-05 04:02:55
It was dying, why did we bring it back. sad.gif
Aliod2010-05-05 04:03:13
QUOTE (Malarious @ May 5 2010, 03:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Long argument short:

Long balance loss for stupid commands is crazy. Stupidity is one thing, and even dodge has more limits to it.

1) It should not stack, yes it doesnt stack unless you focus mind alot. But against guardians when they come out? You will be expecting this. Make it 1s loss with a timer to give a maximum frequency it can hit. This is basically a dodge that also works on curing

2) It does not need a malus, it effects the enemy but the fact it can stop them from attacking makes it defensive as well.

3) Badluck counts as a dodge for most purposes, this skill should not exist. Envoys made a purpose of removing dodging for all non acros for a reason



1) The only way you are going to balance lock yourself off of focus minding is if you do it more than 100 times in less than 30 seconds. And Guardians will be using Greywhispers which can be handled without focus minding.

2) It needs a malus or else the skill does nothing but gives you a cute message when you mess up and nothing more, same with the defensive side of the ball

3) If badluck counts as a dodge, then badluck needs to not drop after 60 seconds without a third person message. Dodge is a constant affect, badluck is not. Same with insanity which was a knee-jerk report, you can't build up both insanity and wounds you have to sacrifice one. So if I keep up greywhispers which takes three power, I have to stop perodically and blow three power and a four second equilbrium time giving you ample time to catch up. Same with Badluck minus the three power.
Gregori2010-05-05 04:06:29
Further to Aliod's post, badluck actually puts affliction classes back on the map, because it forces you to rethink your curing and use of focus cures and god forbid you may have to use a power cure now and then in order to get out of a potential soft lock. (which Akui managed to do to me twice, before I fixed my greywhispers curing)
Sylphas2010-05-05 04:39:27
QUOTE (Aliod @ May 5 2010, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2) It needs a malus or else the skill does nothing but gives you a cute message when you mess up and nothing more, same with the defensive side of the ball


It puts you off balance. That's a malus. If you want MORE of one, say that. You're acting like that doesn't matter, because OMG THEY FOCUSED SUCCESSFULLY.
Gregori2010-05-05 04:52:06
QUOTE (Sylphas @ May 4 2010, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It puts you off balance. That's a malus. If you want MORE of one, say that. You're acting like that doesn't matter, because OMG THEY FOCUSED SUCCESSFULLY.



Another Swing...and a Miss. Obviously seven pages is not enough for some people to get it to sink in.

Can we just get this thread closed before it starts turning really hostile?
Aliod2010-05-05 05:36:09
QUOTE (Sylphas @ May 5 2010, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It puts you off balance. That's a malus. If you want MORE of one, say that. You're acting like that doesn't matter, because OMG THEY FOCUSED SUCCESSFULLY.


Exactly, the off balance is the malus, and Malarious said it should not have a malus, if he was talking about a not having mana malus on a failed focus mind attempt then slap me and I was wrong, but it seems like he was talking about only having a one second balance loss. which, as it has already been stated, would give people a free get out of jail free card once they ate the 3-4 second limit, meaning they could just focus mind during that time frame until they actually got the desired action, which is what I am assuming the limit would be because any higher than that and it would be just as it is now, a balance lock that isn't even a real issue if you don't spam the crap out of focus mind, which happens to be one of the reasons why classes that bank on afflictions have such a hard time doing anything outside of the already laid down bread and butter combos, so God forbid something comes along that might actually help them stop focus mind, with a 33% chance, and we might see some originality in combat.


But then again, pipe dream.
Unknown2010-05-05 07:00:49
Best popcorn thread ever. Thanks guys. My finals weeks have been dull otherwise.
Vadi2010-11-20 22:59:31
Things were going well until the snafu... have a laugh!
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16:59:25.866 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 1p, 90w%, 97e%, x dbkr-(-71 Ego) faec
16:59:25.942 Her eyes glowing a fearsome yellow, Iytha stares about the location with an intense
16:59:25.942 burning gaze, causing the colours in the room to bleed and shimmer.
16:59:25.950 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 1p, 90w%, 97e%, x dbkr-faec
16:59:26.269 faec
16:59:26.299 Izekeal stands up and stretches his arms out wide.
16:59:26.302 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, x dbkr-faec
16:59:26.640 faec
16:59:26.656 Izekeal coughs and splutters.
16:59:26.661 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, x dbkr-
16:59:26.734 You have recovered equilibrium.
16:59:26.741 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, ex dbkr-(cure me mania)
16:59:26.814 A bag of salt that you didn't realize you were carrying splits open, showering the coarse
16:59:26.814 granules everywhere. You curse as some get into your eyes and break your concentration.
16:59:26.823 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-faec
16:59:26.960 Snaithy eats a bog myrtle leaf.
16:59:26.961 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-faec
16:59:27.210 Anrisi gazes at Izekeal with love and adoration.
16:59:27.216 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:27.436 Iytha eats a bog myrtle leaf.
16:59:27.441 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:27.515 Iytha takes a drink from a beryl vial.
16:59:27.520 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-ent
16:59:28.042 The following beings are in your entourage:
16:59:28.047 The following players are in your entourage:
16:59:28.047 (m&m): Missing fae: redcap, banshee, brownie, leprechaun, sprite, sylph, willowisp,
16:59:28.047 barghest, pigwidgeon, pixie, slaugh, pooka, nymph
16:59:28.053 5555h, 6600m|100%, 97e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:28.122 The aura surrounding you briefly pulses.
16:59:28.128 5555h, 6600m|100%, 96e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-(-71 Ego)
16:59:28.133 You may eat another herb that gives the sparkleberry effect.
16:59:28.137 5555h, 6600m|100%, 96e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:29.020 Snaithy eats a bog myrtle leaf.
16:59:29.026 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-(+213 Ego)
16:59:29.102 You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
16:59:29.108 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:29.209 Iytha eats a bog myrtle leaf.
16:59:29.215 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:29.288 You suddenly perceive the vague outline of an aura of rebounding around Shamarah.
16:59:29.295 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:29.516 You have recovered balance on all limbs.
16:59:29.522 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, ex dbkr-(cure me mania)
16:59:29.594 Hyde eats a reishi mushroom.
16:59:29.597 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, ex dbkr-
16:59:29.713 A bag of salt that you didn't realize you were carrying splits open, showering the coarse
16:59:29.713 granules everywhere. You curse as some get into your eyes and break your concentration.
16:59:29.722 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:29.952 The aura surrounding you briefly pulses.
16:59:29.957 (Peasantface): Desitrus (from the Aetherways) says, "Oh vadi."
16:59:29.963 5555h, 6600m|100%, 98e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-(-71 Ego) fsp;;dd
16:59:30.308 A sharp pain erupts in your chest, and your forehead throbs.
16:59:30.315 5555h, 6600m|100%, 98e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-(sip health)
16:59:30.425 You take a drink from a pearl vial.
16:59:30.429 The potion heals and soothes you.
16:59:30.435 5555h, 6600m|100%, 98e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-(eat sparkleberry|outr sparkleberry)
16:59:30.694 You eat a sparkleberry.
16:59:30.699 You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
16:59:30.705 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-(+71 Ego)
16:59:30.810 You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the rift to 1989.
16:59:30.816 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:30.820 You cough as something gets lodged deep in your throat.
16:59:30.822 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-(focus body)
16:59:30.898 The aura surrounding you briefly pulses.
16:59:30.903 Thunder roars and a bolt of lightning strikes Hyde, knocking him to the ground.
16:59:30.907 Darkness swells from Hyde and strikes at Shamarah.
16:59:30.911 A swift gust from the east pierces at Hyde.
16:59:30.913 A freezing blizzard nips at Hyde.
16:59:30.915 A cloudy tendril lashes at Hyde.
16:59:30.917 You are lifted up by a swift wind and suddenly feel exhilarated.
16:59:30.919 A chilling wind from the south presses against Hyde.
16:59:30.921 A westerly breeze brings in a clean, sweet scent that invigorates your body.
16:59:30.922 You feel the muscles in your throat opening up again.
16:59:30.924 From the north, grey clouds swirl and tighten around Hyde.
16:59:30.926 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:31.010 A jet black cat races between your legs, causing you to trip and forget what you were
16:59:31.010 doing.
16:59:31.017 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:31.112 Iytha eats a bog myrtle leaf.
16:59:31.118 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-order brownie attack Hyde
16:59:31.195 Snaithy eats a bog myrtle leaf.
16:59:31.201 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:31.320 You have been slain by Fillin.
16:59:31.324 Your eye immediately notices the flaws in what is obviously an illusion.
16:59:31.328 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:31.329 Hyde takes a drink from a moonstone vial.
16:59:31.331 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:31.523 (focus body)
16:59:31.537 Eyes flashing with rainbow colours, Iytha stares intently at you. Strange thoughts and
16:59:31.537 perceptions challenge your grip on reality. When you finally pull yourself away from
16:59:31.537 Iytha's gaze, you find yourself twitching and drooling.
16:59:31.548 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-fsp;;dd
16:59:31.618 Hyde takes a drink from an emerald vial.
16:59:31.624 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:31.628 Hyde takes a drink from a moonstone vial.
16:59:31.631 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:31.632 Hyde takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
16:59:31.634 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:31.697 Hyde eats kombu seaweed.
16:59:31.700 5555h, 6600m|100%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 97e%, e dbkr-
16:59:31.703 You focus your mind on your motor skills but find you are already mobile.
16:59:31.707 5555h, 6375m|96%, 100e%, 2p, 89w%, 97e%, e dbkr-(-225 Mana)
16:59:31.908 A jet black cat races between the legs of Anrisi, causing him to trip and curse.
16:59:31.911 5555h, 6375m|96%, 100e%, 2p, 89w%, 97e%, e dbkr-order brownie attack Hyde
16:59:32.848 You have recovered balance on all limbs.
16:59:32.853 5555h, 6450m|97%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 98e%, ex dbkr-(cure me mania)(+75 Mana)
16:59:32.927 Iytha eats a bog myrtle leaf.
16:59:32.933 5555h, 6450m|97%, 100e%, 2p, 90w%, 98e%, ex dbkr-
16:59:33.047 The aura surrounding you briefly pulses.
16:59:33.052 You concentrate on curing your own mania ailments.
16:59:33.056 Your sanity partially returns, but you still suffer from a slight case of temporary
16:59:33.056 insanity.
16:59:33.060 5555h, 6144m|93%, 98e%, 2p, 89w%, 97e%, ex dbkr-(-306 Mana, -71 Ego)
16:59:33.157 A bag of salt that you didn't realize you were carrying splits open, showering the coarse
16:59:33.157 granules everywhere. You curse as some get into your eyes and break your concentration.


(no complaints please. Just enjoy!)
Diamondais2010-11-20 23:01:30
Why did you necro this thread?
Rodngar2010-11-20 23:03:16
It's not anything new that badluck is capable of sprees of successful triggerings. The most you can do is grin and bear it, since the Illuminati lost sensible envoy material.


EDIT: My suggestion has always been to apply a power cost to Badluck (this happened, IIRC), up Snafu's cost (happened, IIRC), but also to apply a sort of 'immunity' to badluck similar to stun immunity.. then make badluck last longer and still remain incurable. Have badluck's immunity base itself on your CHA (higher = more immunity.. rationalized more on my DnD understanding of CHA than the meaning of CHA in Lusternia) or just on a flat rate of a few seconds. I would prefer the second to make it fair.
Malarious2010-11-20 23:23:18
QUOTE (Rodngar @ Nov 20 2010, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not anything new that badluck is capable of sprees of successful triggerings. The most you can do is grin and bear it, since the Illuminati lost sensible envoy material.


EDIT: My suggestion has always been to apply a power cost to Badluck (this happened, IIRC), up Snafu's cost (happened, IIRC), but also to apply a sort of 'immunity' to badluck similar to stun immunity.. then make badluck last longer and still remain incurable. Have badluck's immunity base itself on your CHA (higher = more immunity.. rationalized more on my DnD understanding of CHA than the meaning of CHA in Lusternia) or just on a flat rate of a few seconds. I would prefer the second to make it fair.


Badluck should just not be the detriment it is. Why balance loss? You can remove that and just let it still cause focusing to fail. Or, remove firing on most actions and make it only fire on focusing for balance loss. It does not need to be aurawap + dodge + unstoppable scabies all at once. Just figure out where it should be and change it to fit that and I think people would be happy. Adding a power cost did not change it in any way but make it more expensive, it did not make it any less powerful.
Rodngar2010-11-20 23:44:49
QUOTE (Malarious @ Nov 20 2010, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Badluck should just not be the detriment it is. Why balance loss? You can remove that and just let it still cause focusing to fail. Or, remove firing on most actions and make it only fire on focusing for balance loss. It does not need to be aurawap + dodge + unstoppable scabies all at once. Just figure out where it should be and change it to fit that and I think people would be happy. Adding a power cost did not change it in any way but make it more expensive, it did not make it any less powerful.

I don't disagree at all, but I don't know how receptive the Admin would be to that - it has been more than a few months and I am sure envoys have brought it up.