Iktomi2010-05-14 23:20:50
I like the idea of bookbinders being able to create letters. If you want just plain white letter, go to the post office. If you want a fancy pink letter with hearts in the corners to send to your love, go to a bookbinder and have them make it.
Is there some coding that would make this difficult? Wouldn't it be just like a scroll, except have only one page and be mailable? (Maybe having it act as a container like post office letters might be diffictult? Not sure.)
It only seems logical that bookbinders should be able to create letters too....
Is there some coding that would make this difficult? Wouldn't it be just like a scroll, except have only one page and be mailable? (Maybe having it act as a container like post office letters might be diffictult? Not sure.)
It only seems logical that bookbinders should be able to create letters too....
Everiine2010-05-14 23:58:15
If having super special customizable stationery with guild/org stamps is too hard to code (and I can certainly see why), we'd be perfectly happy with just plain white stationery. Anything put into Bookbinding that will be -useful-, even if it is not pretty, will be a welcome addition.
Lawliet2010-05-15 00:15:06
Occured to me when Estarra mentioned oragami, plus a lot of people asking for bookbinding to have letters:
Oragami birds/dragons/whatever, one use magical letters that can only carry short messages, fly to the person and the person has to unfold it to read the message, takes one piece of card (inept arts skill) and 5 applications of magicink to make.
Just an idea, doesn't solve any real problems but sounded interesting when it sprang to mind.
Oragami birds/dragons/whatever, one use magical letters that can only carry short messages, fly to the person and the person has to unfold it to read the message, takes one piece of card (inept arts skill) and 5 applications of magicink to make.
Just an idea, doesn't solve any real problems but sounded interesting when it sprang to mind.
Neos2010-05-15 01:26:21
Yes, bookbinding needs to be better. I admit the only original reason I switched to it from Tailoring was due to languages. Several times I've gone over the skills that I have and always get a confused look on my face when I see royalties. The only real things I've been able to sell in bookbinding are magical scrolls. i like the origami idea Lawliet said. It'd be fun and cool to implement. Maybe an added effect to it or even another skill would be something like magicmouth in which someone could write a message, send it to someone and it reads it out loud, like the howlers from harry potter. I'd love the skill to be used more often beyond a small set of skills. That's all my thoughts for now.
Excuse any thing that sounds weird, I'm sick and have been unable to properly focus in the past week.
Excuse any thing that sounds weird, I'm sick and have been unable to properly focus in the past week.
Noola2010-05-15 01:32:11
Howlers would be awesome.
Lawliet2010-05-15 01:52:04
QUOTE (Noola @ May 15 2010, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Howlers would be awesome.
Didn't think of it that way, but yes.
morrigan2010-05-15 06:13:17
QUOTE (Estarra @ May 14 2010, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. I'll look into that.
2. We actually have a fairly complex design for that (using "seals/chops" that would allow custom stationary for individuals, families and orgs); however, it was ultimately felt the coding effort that it would take to implement such a design was ultimately not worth the effort. I can look at it again but sometimes what seems like neat ideas are more problematic than one thinks.
3. Instead of going into the news and writing, you would write your post on a letter first and then post it? And the letters must be written on something that bookbinders produce? I'm not sure I like this idea and will need to think about it more. There's some under-the-hood issues with storing writing that I don't want to get into but, again, it's one of those issues that sounds simple on the surface but is problematic in implementation. Why not just have a special sheet that you need to post on the news and going into the composer consumes one of those sheets?
2. We actually have a fairly complex design for that (using "seals/chops" that would allow custom stationary for individuals, families and orgs); however, it was ultimately felt the coding effort that it would take to implement such a design was ultimately not worth the effort. I can look at it again but sometimes what seems like neat ideas are more problematic than one thinks.
3. Instead of going into the news and writing, you would write your post on a letter first and then post it? And the letters must be written on something that bookbinders produce? I'm not sure I like this idea and will need to think about it more. There's some under-the-hood issues with storing writing that I don't want to get into but, again, it's one of those issues that sounds simple on the surface but is problematic in implementation. Why not just have a special sheet that you need to post on the news and going into the composer consumes one of those sheets?
1.) Awesome! Out of all of them, this was probably the most desperately needed, because this flaw made most of the skill set pointless.
2.) As said before, any letter creation is a blessing. Especially if the post office stationary is plan B, cost-wise, except for the fancy stuff.
3.) Whatever would work with the code.
Unknown2010-07-07 03:50:54
Bumping this topic again with a suggestion:
Regarding custom stationary.
If we can't make letters from scratch that would be mailable, per se, then how about making sorcelpage scrolls? It'd be like sorcelglass scrolls, except you'd target a letter to change its appearance. That way, you retain the original letter code, since it's still the same object, it's just that you've now got something that allows you to change its appearance.
Regarding custom stationary.
If we can't make letters from scratch that would be mailable, per se, then how about making sorcelpage scrolls? It'd be like sorcelglass scrolls, except you'd target a letter to change its appearance. That way, you retain the original letter code, since it's still the same object, it's just that you've now got something that allows you to change its appearance.
Everiine2010-07-07 03:55:42
QUOTE (Inky @ Jul 6 2010, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bumping this topic again with a suggestion:
Regarding custom stationary.
If we can't make letters from scratch that would be mailable, per se, then how about making sorcelpage scrolls? It'd be like sorcelglass scrolls, except you'd target a letter to change its appearance. That way, you retain the original letter code, since it's still the same object, it's just that you've now got something that allows you to change its appearance.
Regarding custom stationary.
If we can't make letters from scratch that would be mailable, per se, then how about making sorcelpage scrolls? It'd be like sorcelglass scrolls, except you'd target a letter to change its appearance. That way, you retain the original letter code, since it's still the same object, it's just that you've now got something that allows you to change its appearance.
As much as I depise sorcelglass, I like this idea. It puts us back where we belong, in the printed materials area, the base idea has already been tried, and it appeases the custom stationery crowd.
Noola2010-07-07 03:56:45
QUOTE (Everiine @ Jul 6 2010, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As much as I depise sorcelglass, I like this idea. It puts us back where we belong, in the printed materials area, the base idea has already been tried, and it appeases the custom stationery crowd.
Why do you despise sorcelglass? Sorcelglass is awesome!
But yeah, I like the idea of sorcelpages!
Druken2010-08-22 05:23:17
QUOTE (Inky @ Jul 6 2010, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bumping this topic again with a suggestion:
Regarding custom stationary.
If we can't make letters from scratch that would be mailable, per se, then how about making sorcelpage scrolls? It'd be like sorcelglass scrolls, except you'd target a letter to change its appearance. That way, you retain the original letter code, since it's still the same object, it's just that you've now got something that allows you to change its appearance.
Regarding custom stationary.
If we can't make letters from scratch that would be mailable, per se, then how about making sorcelpage scrolls? It'd be like sorcelglass scrolls, except you'd target a letter to change its appearance. That way, you retain the original letter code, since it's still the same object, it's just that you've now got something that allows you to change its appearance.
I apologize for the necro, but this is a really, really spiffy idea! I would love to design stationary. It would be fantastic to have parchment with burned edges, letters rolled with ribbons, wax seals bearing the name of the Inseira Gentry...
:daydream:
Ilyarin2010-08-22 11:16:16
Sounds good to me!
Druken2010-08-26 12:04:01
If stationary isn't on the roster for bookbinding, maybe vastly reduce the amount of commodities that are required to create a scroll and reduce the gold overlay to 300-500? We can even set the scrolls to decay like letters, unless the bookbinder chooses to make them last forever by tacking on 2000 more in overlay, which is the cost to make letters magically preserved.
Unknown2010-08-26 12:57:53
Wordcount based pagewrap still hasn't happened. Is it really that difficult to set up with rapture?
Would love to see 'perms' applied to books, with bookbinder based afflictions to those who attempt to read books they don't have perms for, like the effects of magic scrolls, but wider ranging. Secret enciphered papyrus scrolls that afflict the uninitiated with pox when they attempt to read them? Freaking sweet.
Would love to see 'perms' applied to books, with bookbinder based afflictions to those who attempt to read books they don't have perms for, like the effects of magic scrolls, but wider ranging. Secret enciphered papyrus scrolls that afflict the uninitiated with pox when they attempt to read them? Freaking sweet.
Everiine2010-08-26 17:58:31
I've never had a problem with the commodities of Bookbinding-- all trade commodities went up, I don't see a problem with Bookbinding being any different. But the gold outlay has always been a major deterrent.
Druken2010-08-26 20:38:14
I think the gold is what does it for me, too. If scrolls were meant to be our variation on stationary (something a lot of people have consistently asked for), reducing the absurd gold outlay cost for scrolls to something more realistic, like 150-200 per scroll, would make them much more feasible. If we could produce scrolls usable by anyone, without having to list a person's name as the author, we wouldn't have to create another branch of designs.
Nariah2010-08-26 20:44:38
Sorcelglass stationery. Come on!
Druken2010-08-26 21:21:52
QUOTE (Nariah @ Aug 26 2010, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorcelglass stationery. Come on!
Well, yea. This would be ideal so that the letters can be mailed just like any other plain, boring letter.
... unless scrolls be adjusted so that they, too, can be mailed without having to stuff them inside a letter first.
Everiine2010-08-26 21:29:28
I wonder, and should check this next time I'm on-- do letters work like other created objects, where it is assigned an item ID and is persistent throughout? Or do they function more like riftable objects, where you buy a letter, write it, "mail" it, the letter disappears and is recreated when it "arrives"? That might explain the reluctance to allow customized letters.
Rakor2010-08-26 22:50:49
QUOTE (Lawliet @ May 14 2010, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Occured to me when Estarra mentioned oragami, plus a lot of people asking for bookbinding to have letters:
Oragami birds/dragons/whatever, one use magical letters that can only carry short messages, fly to the person and the person has to unfold it to read the message, takes one piece of card (inept arts skill) and 5 applications of magicink to make.
Just an idea, doesn't solve any real problems but sounded interesting when it sprang to mind.
Oragami birds/dragons/whatever, one use magical letters that can only carry short messages, fly to the person and the person has to unfold it to read the message, takes one piece of card (inept arts skill) and 5 applications of magicink to make.
Just an idea, doesn't solve any real problems but sounded interesting when it sprang to mind.
I'm not sure how complete the origami idea is at this point but this ^ would be cool, and better yet, if they took the magicink they could also provide a small (1-2%) bonus to crits for like 5min or some other small perk
