I know, isn't he stylish?? I'm so excited about this!

If you're part of a private cartel that doesn't list itself on CARTELS you can always just do CLANHELP to see who the assigned trademaster is of that cartel.

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Side note what would be considered part of the suit? just the jacket and pants?

I am assuming that suits can be as formal or informal as you want them to be. Some would probably take the basic shirt/jacket/pants route while others will add things like vests, cumberbunds (sp?), ties/ascots and such to their regalia.

Thanks Xiel. I was actually asking about the city-specific cartels. I'm not sure who runs Nightsoigne (I can't check right now), so I'd like to be able to find out. :3

Since all org cartels are public, that'll be listed for you in CARTELS. At the time of this posting, it looks like it's Lyla.

Thanks!

Tut tut upon the singularity and spelling issues good sir! Very naughty.

Going out without a hat has -always- been improper for a lady (and man) of standing for some centuries (1600+?) right up until the 60s.

The definition of "hat" is really loose, though. Also, the proportion of fantasy women with mandatory hats is significantly lower.

If the definition of a hat is really loose you can use it to design whatever kind of hat you want in that case, can't you?

Also, I was unaware that 'fantasy' is a fixed category with fixed statistics. The whole word fantasy seems to imply you can envision whatever you like. As a side, I live in Hallifax, don't expect any sympathy from me, I've been trying to make hats mandatory for years now. Bloody nouveau riche with their lack of education, culture and moral standards!

True, but Lusternia is modern (as in we're experiencing it in our modern times) high fantasy, with actually very few truly medieval trappings. You'll scarcely see hats (other than a wizard hat) in the Lord of the Rings movies or most other modern high fantasy depictions, for example. Circlets, crowns, tiaras, helmets, hoods, headbands and the like are far more common.

Also, those old medieval hats look ugly as sin to modern eyes, and no one would be caught dead wearing them... which, I suspect, is why we use circlets and such in our medieval fantasy depictions nowadays. They're, like, way cooler.

EDIT: I take that back. Renaissance faire reenactors and stage actors probably would be caught dead wearing authentic medieval hats.

Well, if worst comes to worst I guess I can stick with my robe, which looks somewhat like a gown anyway.

One reasons hats used to be de rigeur is that you used to need them to keep your head warm, before widespread central heating.

I'm wishing even more now that there was a way to have two sets of splendours for those of us with two (or more) bodies. Oh, well.

You know, in Egypt, women did not wear hats. They wore cones of perfumed wax. The wax would melt throughout the day and cover the body odor.

That's precisely how relevant I feel the rest of these arguments are.

I can't fathom the complaint, to be quite honest - the alternative is not to have any head protection. Or hoods attached to suits, which is a dime's width away from inane, just that side of ludicrous.

He looks like Oddjob now. For a furrikin, that seems strikingly appropriate.

Well, presumably enchantable gowns and suits are being added to offer us more variety and a wider range of creative outlet, even during "serious business," which is awesome.

However, "serious business" also requires head protection. It's sort of a fly in the ointment that if you want full protection while wearing these new garments, you can only use hats, and nothing else. I certainly can't picture Felicia in a hat... she's basically a fairy who roughs it in the forest. A wreath of leaves, a ravenwood crown, or something along those lines would be much more appropriate and evocative. Look at Aramel's signature; her character is an elf. All high fantasy elves are virtually required by law to wear tiaras and circlets.

I personally don't understand why a hat is the only possible solution here, but I'm on the new player end of things, so I realize there's a lot I don't know.

Sweet. I want one.

If you have a viable "pattern" as an alternative, have a trademaster post it to the TM news. I'm sure the Charites will at least be willing to entertain the idea, and that seems to be way more effective in general than using the forums (even if one of the three E's is reading/posting).

That said, while it might still say "hat", you could conceivably have a thin silk hat covered in leaves, or some such.

I may design something veiled and desert-y for Aoife.

I don't know, having made hats, it's surely not a lot of work to make veils or other headgear (headdresses!) enchantable too, and it would be awesome. Plus, my cloak is hooded - would make sense to use those, but it's probably mechanically difficult or something. Still!

However, if the response to it is "you can basically suck it up and deal", then I understand that I can just choose not to make any greatrobe gown designs.