Fos on dynami for saying it was good that solanis died when the only information I saw showed that it hurt us because we've lost someone who could potentially survive a night attack. The comment just struck me as odd.

Waiting to hear from those who haven't checked in yet.

I didn't know Wretched Hag is a HoN hero! I assumed any evil sounding/non HoN hero role is mafia!

Hello. Been busy. Luckily, I'm understanding more of this now that it isn't filled with words and acronyms I can't understand.

I did nothing last night, other than sit there puzzling over what was being said.

I don't think Sylphas was behaving in a particularly scummy fashion. It's common practice to ask what he did - he didn't say, "oh, hey, investigators and roleblockers and useful town roles, what did you do last night?" He said, and I quote, "Anyone find out anything useful last night?" I interpreted it as asking if anyone got lucky last night with an investigation/watch/track that turned up scum or scummy behaviour, like someone seeing their target target Arix.

That said, Riluna is confusing me.



What do you mean by this? Admittedly, I haven't looked at the end of Day 1 since I have limited time on the computer (laptop dead, etc), so some quoting would be appreciated.



Roleclaims are our only information, aside from night info, which.. people are finding Sylphas suspicious of asking about. Would you mind quoting/linking where the "go fishing and picking and choosing who to push towards lynch explicitly to find out their role" part was? And the point of pushing a lynch is to usually to get information on that person, whether random pressure on Day 1 or hopefully more informed pressure on subsequent days. Failing to see a problem here, but if there are particularly suspicious posts to sift through, I might be convinced otherwise.



If they learned something that pointed to a specific someone as strongly scum (investigation turning up scum-positive, watching/tracking showing one person targeting someone who turns up dead the next morning, etc), speaking up so that we can lynch them/protect the speaker is more important than keeping mum and risking the nightkill roulette. We're hunting scum after all, and the less of those to deal with, the better.

Long post is longer than I thought.

As a sidenote, can the modly one explicitly state if dead people are scum or town in the respective posts? Unless not revealing it was done on purpose, it'd help those not so used to HoN to differentiate better, and prevent confusion.

Will be back tomorrow if I can steal more desktop time then.

Both Solanis and Arix were town (part of HoN mob).

Sure, here you go.







He's entirely focused on picking somebody to get role information from. My main problem with this, is whomever was lynched due to deadline, would have their role revealed on the flip. Not a great deal to go on alone, like I said before, but what raised a flag in my mind is how after Solanis roleclaimed, he then moves his vote to Siam:



I do not like this at all. I remember thinking at the time, that, hypothetically, were he scum, he would likely be doing this for a couple different reasons. One, to try to move the lynch to somebody else, and get another roleclaim from whomever was voted for, if enough people move their vote with him (not terribly likely, being halfway through the deadline at this point, but still a possibility) and two, to try to pretend later that he wasn't involved at all with the train on Solanis (which is exactly what he ended up trying to do).



I disagree. Little happened on Day 1, but not nothing. It's not as concrete yet as the role reveal, yet, sure. But it's still information, which will become more clear later in the game, like it usually does. I am far more comfortable generating discussion, hopefully giving us more information, leading to 'more informed pressure', rather than outing everybody we can.



Maybe. I'm not entirely sure I agree. From what I've seen, it has its advantages as well as disadvantages to the investigator/tracker revealing themself so early in the game. Chiefly, that the remaining scum are going to expect doctor protection on the cop, and NK someone else, having that much better a chance at hitting the doctor protecting them (or at the very least, being assured they'll hit someone the doctor certainly isn't protecting, being busy with the cop). If the investigators did get lucky and get something valuable enough to reveal themselves, I trust that they will; I'm not going to go asking for it.


Anyway, like it has been pointed out, it could just as likely be that Sylphas is just overeager new town doing this, as scum. That said, it's also the way he reacted to suspicion on him, which I do not trust at all. This makes me lean far more toward him being scum.

Mod says we can, for spelling and grammar fixes.

Shrinking down the long post to the part I wanted. Out of all the stuff out, I do agree that this on his part was bad. It is nothing concrete enough for me to vote for him, a FoS maybe ... but not a vote. I really don't see what he posted on the start of today as particularly scummy either.

I don't have time to check this morning, but have we heard from everyone at least once so far today?

I'm here, but I don't have much to share to be honest. Solanis was the only one I found to be peculiar. I don't find what Sylphas said to be that odd. Everyone asks that on their first game, and they never end up as scum.

I never said I wasn't involved with the train on Solanis, just that I hadn't voted for him. I forgot, and then admitted that I had. You thought I moved my vote to pretend later, when you can just quote every one of my actions for the entire day? How stupid do you think I am?

I believed Solanis was town (and hey, I was right) so I moved my vote.

Well, that still leaves two people who have yet to post for day 2. Vandetta and Furien. If it isn't too much of a bother ... think you can at least post something so we know you have a pulse.

Eeni, meani, mini, moe.

Vote: Furien.

Coin toss really between Van and Fur. Not a 'I got a scum vibe' vote. Something to maybe encourage them to join in.

Define the practical difference please, even if you hadn't voted him?



I've seen more experienced players than you try the exact same thing. Being one of the driving factors toward lynching somebody, and moving their actual vote (or just not officially voting at all), so later they could claim they weren't actually a part of it in any way. Usually to try to point blame at someone else, though, but once to attempt to get heat off themselves. Outright pretending you never voted for him is a little extreme, I agree, but I also find it really hard to believe that you did "forget" who you voted for, honestly, especially when you're now saying you did remember that you were at least involved in the train.

Define how you're using Fos and voting, please? I find this curious. The way I was taught to play is not that a vote is an "upgrade" from a FoS, but that FoS is for when you're already voting somebody, and another person is also acting suspicious. Basically, a way of saying, "I'm not going to move my vote, just yet, but I've got my eye on you, too".

Riluna, quote me, don't paraphrase, because you're either terrible at it or purposely trying to smear me. Of course I was involved with it, and I never said I wasn't. Don't make it out like I'm trying to weasel out of my involvement.

Bolded is precisely why I'm so suspicious of you right now. That's exactly what it seems like, to me.

I did quote you. The text in the quote boxes is yours, not me 'paraphrasing'. No idea what you're on about now.

What you're quoting and what you're saying after the quote don't match up, Riluna. You quote me freely admitting my involvement and then say you're suspicious because I'm weaseling out of it. Suspicious is fine, I said something dumb, I can understand that. This constant hounding though is making me suspicious. Vote for me or drop it, I'm done arguing with you.

Oh, I thought I did already. I even corrected the spelling of the name, but I put in Solanis' name instead of yours for some reason. Whoops.

Unvote: Already dead person
Vote: Sylphas, like I meant to before.

What I quoted was you admitting that you were involved, yes. After you had been called out for saying you're not. The reason I quoted that was because of the "I forgot" part, which I'm not buying. It matches up just fine.

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This is our first exchange. Please point out to me where I ever denied being involved with the lynch on Solanis in that post, or in any post after it. Or with "pumping people for information" as you put it. I have freely admitted each and every time.

Let's recap your suspicions:

Post #205 claimed that you were worried about me picking and choosing who to push in order to dig up information.

Post #206 was me being a moron and not double checking what I actually did day one and blatantly lying about my vote because my memory is terrible. Beyond that, still no denial of my involvement, unless you think voting is the only possible involvement you can have with something.

Post #207 you explicitly state that you are suspicious of the reasoning behind my actions, i.e. that I was trying to pump people for information. Also, you get defensive about me accusing you of hammering people when I had never actually done so, merely stated my reasoning behind pumping people for information.

Post #209 is absolutely ridiculous on reread. You say that we should ask questions, yet when I asked "Did anyone find anything out?" I'm accused of role fishing and have been pressured for almost two pages because of it. Again you accuse me of trying to reveal every power role as fast as possible, even though any rational reading of this topic proves I did no such thing. You're reading my question to suit your ends.

Post #227 you add on suspicions about how I reacted to you. I'm not sure what you expected me to do. I have clarified myself time and again.

By #234 you're on about how I'm trying to get out of my involvement with Solanis's lynch. I keep saying the same things, and you keep finding more ways to cast suspicion on me each time I say the same thing. You're either scum trying to take down a townie who made a mistake or an overzealous townie with nothing else to dig into. It's probably the latter, but just so I'm not accused of hopping on a later on and trying to look innocent, I'll go ahead and Vote: Riluna and let everyone else decide which you are. It's better than sitting on Siam because of his HoN RP mistake.

Now I really am done. Let's give the rest of these people a chance to weigh in.